Growing up in Fresno and spending time in Bakersfield, my impression is that neither of those cities wants to be identified with either Northern or Southern California.
Although it appeared far south of my delineation (around Morro Bay) geographically and meteorologically the boundary is Pt. Conception. It's where you star getting many more sandy beaches, it's the southern boundary of the coastal range and when you consider weather, water temp, currents and the affect they all have on the climate Pt. Conception is the answer. Because this is where the coast dramatically takes a shift east/westward combined with where you have a significant collection of offshore islands (eight Channel Islands), Pt. Conception allows for a phenomenon called the Catalina Eddy which allows warm water to travel up the coast from Mexico, bring the water temps to anywhere from the high 60s to low 70s, every single year. This impacts the May Gray/June Gloom pattern which peters off almost always at the beginning of July, brings in all sorts of interesting marine life diversification and helps bring in the hot Socal summers (even to the beach).
Culturally Socal ends around Santa Barbara imho, population density split is also somewhere in this area and if you ask any young person LA or points further south, I'd bet that many would also agree with me.
Realistically (culturally) it should be divided into four or five sections. North going south until Mendocino, the Bay Area (bounds are arguable), the central valley (basically the 5 and 99 corridors Sac to the Grapvine), central coast (Santa Cruz to Pt Conception), and Socal. And if you want a sixth, the desert folks from inland SD to Ontario are really their own wacky bunch.
SLO is on the coastal border, where NorCal ends and SoCal begins. Bakersfield is the central valley border. Both are on a similar latitude.
Fresno is NorCal. It's slightly further north than Monterey, which I think everyone agrees is in NorCal.
A good rule of thumb is whether or not you will get the Giants or the Dodgers automatically in your cable/satellite package. In Fresno and Monterey you will get the Giants. In SLO and Bakersfield you will get the Dodgers.
To augment my earlier point: the MLB fandom map the NY Times did in 2014 probably serves as a good proxy. The Giants areas are NorCal, Dodger areas and below are SoCal.
We will move the heavy, mounted artillery to peaks on both the Sierra and Coastal ranges. Establish picket forces near Bakersfield, with our main line in Visalia stretching across the Great Central Valley.
"We held them at Mt. Whitney and the Kaweah River. Anyways, the SoCalians reinforced with 60 divisions sent three whole army groups across Death Valley, cut the pipeline, came over across Nevada to link up in the middle but we stopped their butt cold here. The lines have pretty much stabilized now. "
iirc I unintentionally riled up - like REALLY riled up - the late lamented Cugel with my view that the Bay Area was actually in the northern zone of central California. I think the actual answer is the boundary is wherever people start looking down their nose at the people to their north or south, it's a boundary in our hearts lol
I like some nerdy stuff like role playing games, renn faires, and sci fi. But my first-hand experience is that it attracts insufferable low-EQ superfan gatekeepers who ruin it for more casual fans.
I was going to say that I rarely have that much in common with people who like things I like, but I think that might be a "me problem" rather than a "them problem."
Martha's Vineyard .. going there for the first time this summer. perhaps i have an impression of who goes there in the summer that i dont necessarily like. happy to be pleasantly surprised or wrong.
i am in SF area from Aug 8-14 and will likely fly directly to MVY since it actually seems like the easiest way to get there.
My first cheesesteaks in Philly was driving from Princeton to DC on college visits with No 1. We stopped off at the two "famous" ones, Geno's and Pat's. I liked Pat's better than Geno's at the time. After visiting No 1 more than a few times and having had the non-touristy ones, I realized the touristy ones are just OK. Don't go to those two places and go to the ones the locals go to.
While animals don't have the same complex cognition as humans, they can experience stress, anxiety, and even exhibit behavior that might seem reflective of existential crises. Bears, for example, can encounter environmental changes, scarcity of food, or loss of habitat, which could lead to behaviors that might appear as though they're grappling with existential questions. However, it's essential to understand these behaviors through the lens of animal behavior and not human existentialism.
Can Cal golden Bears fans have existential crises?
Absolutely! Sports fandom can be a passionate and deeply emotional experience for many people. When a team experiences setbacks or disappointments, fans can feel a range of emotions, including existential questioning about the meaning and significance of their allegiance. Moments of defeat or uncertainty can prompt fans to reflect on their connection to the team, their identity as fans, and even broader questions about life's purpose. So, while it might not be the same as a philosophical or psychological existential crisis, devoted Cal Golden Bears fans could certainly experience existential pondering during challenging times for their team.
'Here, "Cal Bears" likely refers to the sports teams of the University of California, Berkeley, not literal bears.
In that case, then yes, Cal Bears (athletes, fans, or even the mascot) absolutely could experience existential crises! Here's why:
Pressure and Identity: College athletics are a high-pressure environment. Athletes deal with grueling schedules, performance expectations, and the possibility of injury. Fans invest a lot of emotional energy into their teams, and their sense of identity can be tied to their team's success. A losing season or a major setback could lead to an existential crisis about their dedication, purpose, or the team's future.
Philosophical Questions in Sports: Sports themselves can raise existential questions. Concepts like fair play, overcoming adversity, and the fleeting nature of victory can all lead to deeper contemplation about life and human endeavors.
Even a mascot like the Cal Bear could be used to represent these existential struggles in a more lighthearted way. Imagine the mascot feeling down after a tough loss, questioning its place on the team or the meaning of being a mascot.
So, while the term "existential crisis" might be used more for philosophical ponderings, Cal Bears, both human and mascot, can definitely experience periods of doubt, questioning, and struggle that echo the existential experience.'
Furd, U$C, UC Los Angeles, terrorists, Trump, corporations that exploit workers and natural resources, racists, fascists, white christian nationalists, the NCAA, misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, Islamophobes, anti-semites, Fox News and Dr. Evil.
This comment had been edited. I had originally written "homophones" instead of "homophobes." I want to reiterate that homophones are not evil. That said, they do often cause confusion. But you gnu that. I mean knew that. See?
Judge Cannon rejects Special Counsel's gag order on Trump request citing "wholly lacking in substance and professional courtesy" in the secret documents case. I mean, it's not like Trump hasn't serially tampered with judges, witnesses, and plaintiffs in his other cases.
Closings argument today in TFG's case where he is accused of falsifying business documents as a criminal conspiracy to undermine election integrity by suppressing his paid sexual encounter with a porn star.
Prosecutors have smoking gun evidence. Defense's story line is "sure, all the co-conspirator in this crime are testifying against me, but they are lying and the chronic liar defendant is absolutely telling the truth this time". I can only imagine Trump gets out of this by somehow already having an angry begrudged juror.
Jaylen Brown (Go Bears!) named Eastern Conference Finals MVP after providing clutching play in Celtic's come from behind 105-102 victory to sweep the Pacers
he had a great series and made a couple key plays in the waning minutes that allowed Boston to take the lead
... it was Brown who made a pair of plays in the final 65 seconds -- first blocking Andrew Nembhard's drive to the rim, then getting into the lane and kicking the ball out to Derrick White for what became the winning 3-pointer with 41 seconds to go, a shot that put Boston ahead for the first time since the opening possession of the second half
My cousin-in-law came to visit to go to a baby shower. She has a high powered job and likes to relax by watching the most inane brainless shows possible. To cater to her penchant, we watched "Is it Cake?". It's was terrible but yet compelling TV.
I watched that, too. The premise is fun, but the host is AWFUL. We watched exactly 1 episode and decided that the host alone was enough to make us stop watching.
Colorado Buffalo Shilo Sanders files for bankruptcy after losing a legal case. As a reminder, he is playing in his red shirt senior year and still has a year of eligibility left. If he plays his final year of eligibility, he will be only a few weeks shy of his 26th birthday.
Well, the bit about them being rude is an uncharitable exaggeration. Doesn't mean Walton was a villain, just that like most people he had his blind spots.
According to you, where is the Northern California/Southern California border, including naming some towns that belong in either territory?
I think SLO and everything below is SoCal, Paso R and above NorCal
That'll put most of Bakersfield in Northern California. That feels wrong.
Growing up in Fresno and spending time in Bakersfield, my impression is that neither of those cities wants to be identified with either Northern or Southern California.
The Central Valley is kind of its own thing, yeah.
But if there is a NorCal/SoCal border to it, then it's probably slightly north of Bakersfield.
You beat me to it.
Big Sur in Northern CA. everything south of that Southern ..
maybe some selfish claiming of Bir Sur because it is so nice ...
I agree. Less about geography and more about where one culture ends and another begins.
Although it appeared far south of my delineation (around Morro Bay) geographically and meteorologically the boundary is Pt. Conception. It's where you star getting many more sandy beaches, it's the southern boundary of the coastal range and when you consider weather, water temp, currents and the affect they all have on the climate Pt. Conception is the answer. Because this is where the coast dramatically takes a shift east/westward combined with where you have a significant collection of offshore islands (eight Channel Islands), Pt. Conception allows for a phenomenon called the Catalina Eddy which allows warm water to travel up the coast from Mexico, bring the water temps to anywhere from the high 60s to low 70s, every single year. This impacts the May Gray/June Gloom pattern which peters off almost always at the beginning of July, brings in all sorts of interesting marine life diversification and helps bring in the hot Socal summers (even to the beach).
Culturally Socal ends around Santa Barbara imho, population density split is also somewhere in this area and if you ask any young person LA or points further south, I'd bet that many would also agree with me.
Realistically (culturally) it should be divided into four or five sections. North going south until Mendocino, the Bay Area (bounds are arguable), the central valley (basically the 5 and 99 corridors Sac to the Grapvine), central coast (Santa Cruz to Pt Conception), and Socal. And if you want a sixth, the desert folks from inland SD to Ontario are really their own wacky bunch.
Not that I've thought about it much.
SLO is on the coastal border, where NorCal ends and SoCal begins. Bakersfield is the central valley border. Both are on a similar latitude.
Fresno is NorCal. It's slightly further north than Monterey, which I think everyone agrees is in NorCal.
A good rule of thumb is whether or not you will get the Giants or the Dodgers automatically in your cable/satellite package. In Fresno and Monterey you will get the Giants. In SLO and Bakersfield you will get the Dodgers.
To augment my earlier point: the MLB fandom map the NY Times did in 2014 probably serves as a good proxy. The Giants areas are NorCal, Dodger areas and below are SoCal.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/23/upshot/24-upshot-baseball.html
and where do you have to live to see the A's on TV?
Neptune.
LOL. In time, that will probably be the case. But for now you can generally get them in the same places you can get the Giants.
A line extending east and west from the Grapevine.
Once we hold ‘em off, then we reclaim the nether regions.
The Kulturkampf hat begonnen!
San Luis Obispo, Bakersfield, Lone Pine.
We will move the heavy, mounted artillery to peaks on both the Sierra and Coastal ranges. Establish picket forces near Bakersfield, with our main line in Visalia stretching across the Great Central Valley.
I have thought much of this. LOL
"We held them at Mt. Whitney and the Kaweah River. Anyways, the SoCalians reinforced with 60 divisions sent three whole army groups across Death Valley, cut the pipeline, came over across Nevada to link up in the middle but we stopped their butt cold here. The lines have pretty much stabilized now. "
Paso
iirc I unintentionally riled up - like REALLY riled up - the late lamented Cugel with my view that the Bay Area was actually in the northern zone of central California. I think the actual answer is the boundary is wherever people start looking down their nose at the people to their north or south, it's a boundary in our hearts lol
I think this might be the first time I've used the phrase "late lamented" and actually meant it sincerely
North of Fresno and South of Fresno.
Fresno does not belong in either NorCal or SoCal.
Name something that you like, but don't like the people who like it
I like some nerdy stuff like role playing games, renn faires, and sci fi. But my first-hand experience is that it attracts insufferable low-EQ superfan gatekeepers who ruin it for more casual fans.
I've found that no one hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans.
this is true. it is easy to love the whole story arc and yet very easy to hate individual components of it.
i try to always remind myself of this when starting to complain ..
Big Sur.
I was going to say that I rarely have that much in common with people who like things I like, but I think that might be a "me problem" rather than a "them problem."
Martha's Vineyard .. going there for the first time this summer. perhaps i have an impression of who goes there in the summer that i dont necessarily like. happy to be pleasantly surprised or wrong.
i am in SF area from Aug 8-14 and will likely fly directly to MVY since it actually seems like the easiest way to get there.
Philly cheesesteaks ..
sort of kidding. i dont mind people in Philly, but i know they get a bad rap.
One of the all time greatest ads…
https://youtu.be/r3Mc5R-xlW4?si=rz5p0skHBbfUMX8L
My first cheesesteaks in Philly was driving from Princeton to DC on college visits with No 1. We stopped off at the two "famous" ones, Geno's and Pat's. I liked Pat's better than Geno's at the time. After visiting No 1 more than a few times and having had the non-touristy ones, I realized the touristy ones are just OK. Don't go to those two places and go to the ones the locals go to.
CAL
Go Bears!!!
Can Bears have existential crises?
what did Chat GPT say?
Can Bears have existential crises?
While animals don't have the same complex cognition as humans, they can experience stress, anxiety, and even exhibit behavior that might seem reflective of existential crises. Bears, for example, can encounter environmental changes, scarcity of food, or loss of habitat, which could lead to behaviors that might appear as though they're grappling with existential questions. However, it's essential to understand these behaviors through the lens of animal behavior and not human existentialism.
Can Cal golden Bears fans have existential crises?
Absolutely! Sports fandom can be a passionate and deeply emotional experience for many people. When a team experiences setbacks or disappointments, fans can feel a range of emotions, including existential questioning about the meaning and significance of their allegiance. Moments of defeat or uncertainty can prompt fans to reflect on their connection to the team, their identity as fans, and even broader questions about life's purpose. So, while it might not be the same as a philosophical or psychological existential crisis, devoted Cal Golden Bears fans could certainly experience existential pondering during challenging times for their team.
Here's what Google's Gemini had to say:
'Here, "Cal Bears" likely refers to the sports teams of the University of California, Berkeley, not literal bears.
In that case, then yes, Cal Bears (athletes, fans, or even the mascot) absolutely could experience existential crises! Here's why:
Pressure and Identity: College athletics are a high-pressure environment. Athletes deal with grueling schedules, performance expectations, and the possibility of injury. Fans invest a lot of emotional energy into their teams, and their sense of identity can be tied to their team's success. A losing season or a major setback could lead to an existential crisis about their dedication, purpose, or the team's future.
Philosophical Questions in Sports: Sports themselves can raise existential questions. Concepts like fair play, overcoming adversity, and the fleeting nature of victory can all lead to deeper contemplation about life and human endeavors.
Even a mascot like the Cal Bear could be used to represent these existential struggles in a more lighthearted way. Imagine the mascot feeling down after a tough loss, questioning its place on the team or the meaning of being a mascot.
So, while the term "existential crisis" might be used more for philosophical ponderings, Cal Bears, both human and mascot, can definitely experience periods of doubt, questioning, and struggle that echo the existential experience.'
Insight and wisdom from Skynet.
What have we wrought?
Cal Bears: "We'll be back! Maybe."
Public bath in Bath has too much water
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgg238y7xvo
Villains
Apparently, Richard Dreyfus has slipped to the Dark Side
https://au.news.yahoo.com/richard-dreyfuss-discusses-incest-while-104435665.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/richard-dreyfuss-jaws-sexist-b2552336.html
perhaps there's an easy explanation for why his son is such a dipshit online
Furd, U$C, UC Los Angeles, terrorists, Trump, corporations that exploit workers and natural resources, racists, fascists, white christian nationalists, the NCAA, misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, Islamophobes, anti-semites, Fox News and Dr. Evil.
This comment had been edited. I had originally written "homophones" instead of "homophobes." I want to reiterate that homophones are not evil. That said, they do often cause confusion. But you gnu that. I mean knew that. See?
There are really only two: Mack Brown and Larry Scott
The NCAA D1 Baseball Tournament selection committee.
Angel Hernandez, who thank GOD is finally retiring. His incompetent ass should have been fired years ago.
Darth Maul, General Grievous, Count Dooku, so many good ones to choose from
OUR CRUMBLING DEMOCRACY
Judge Cannon rejects Special Counsel's gag order on Trump request citing "wholly lacking in substance and professional courtesy" in the secret documents case. I mean, it's not like Trump hasn't serially tampered with judges, witnesses, and plaintiffs in his other cases.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/28/politics/trump-gag-order-cannon-classified-documents
WaPo buried Alito flag story for three years
https://www.lawdork.com/p/washington-post-bombshell-washington
Closings argument today in TFG's case where he is accused of falsifying business documents as a criminal conspiracy to undermine election integrity by suppressing his paid sexual encounter with a porn star.
Prosecutors have smoking gun evidence. Defense's story line is "sure, all the co-conspirator in this crime are testifying against me, but they are lying and the chronic liar defendant is absolutely telling the truth this time". I can only imagine Trump gets out of this by somehow already having an angry begrudged juror.
Live tweet coverage: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1795421728434209189.html?utm_campaign=topunroll
PRO
Controversial MLB umpire Angel Hernandez retires. I did not accurately see that coming.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/40231476/mlb-umpire-angel-hernandez-retiring
I love the video ESPN attached to this story. It's everything you need to know about THE worst umpire in the history of baseball.
Jaylen Brown (Go Bears!) named Eastern Conference Finals MVP after providing clutching play in Celtic's come from behind 105-102 victory to sweep the Pacers
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40231636/celtics-come-clutch-again-finals-sweeping-pacers
All the injuries in the East basically provided Boston with a bye to the Finals.
(Though yes, they also lost Porzingis themselves.)
he had a great series and made a couple key plays in the waning minutes that allowed Boston to take the lead
... it was Brown who made a pair of plays in the final 65 seconds -- first blocking Andrew Nembhard's drive to the rim, then getting into the lane and kicking the ball out to Derrick White for what became the winning 3-pointer with 41 seconds to go, a shot that put Boston ahead for the first time since the opening possession of the second half
Steph Curry doesn't miss off the court either.
And if you're wondering the name, it's because Ayesha has a bit of Chinese in her.
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Family/ayesha-curry-steph-curry-4th-child-grateful/story
Acuna Matata. It means no baseball for the rest of 2024.
https://sports.yahoo.com/atlanta-braves-star-ronald-acu-022620777.html
Parents confirm that Grayson Murray committed suicide after he withdrew from a US PGA "Charles Schwab Challenge". Horrible, terrible news.
As an aside, you are valued and loved. Call 988 if you feel under emotional distress you can't handle.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/26/sport/grayson-murray-parents-death-suicide-spt-intl/index.html
Terence Atmane hits a ball into the stands in frustration, hitting a spectator. He was not disqualified.
https://twitter.com/eurosport/status/1794850094732411059
Washington Football Team's kicker sued for sexual assault by two air stewardesses.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40229099/nfl-kicker-brandon-mcmanus-accused-sexual-assault-lawsuit
DBD AV CLUB
My cousin-in-law came to visit to go to a baby shower. She has a high powered job and likes to relax by watching the most inane brainless shows possible. To cater to her penchant, we watched "Is it Cake?". It's was terrible but yet compelling TV.
I have a few brainless shows I watch. The most brainless is Swamp People, and its derivatives.
I watched that, too. The premise is fun, but the host is AWFUL. We watched exactly 1 episode and decided that the host alone was enough to make us stop watching.
is that the one where you cant tell if it is a real cake or the thing itself, like a toaster oven or something?
and then they take a chainsaw or cake knife to prove that it is?
it is a good watch, for one or two episodes.
ELSEHWERE IN COLLEGE
Colorado Buffalo Shilo Sanders files for bankruptcy after losing a legal case. As a reminder, he is playing in his red shirt senior year and still has a year of eligibility left. If he plays his final year of eligibility, he will be only a few weeks shy of his 26th birthday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/deion-sanders-son-files-for-bankruptcy-after-losing-9-47m-lawsuit/ar-BB1n62pF
RIP Bill Walton
For Bill Walton, Berkeley was his spiritual home
https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/bill-walton-remembering-berkeley
nicely written elsewhere on WFC by our very own superfan
lot of great articles out today. i liked how he was such a big fan of the Pac10/12. the way he said Conference of Champions was the best
nice article about mostly cycling by Jason Gay on WSJ
Shine On, Ride On, Bill Walton
A basketball legend dies at age 71—leaving behind a legacy as a beloved cyclist, too
https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketball/bill-walton-bike-riding-19e4211b?st=6opm0358h1fift6&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
“My bike is my medicine,” Walton said. “I’m always sick of something, or somebody, and I know that when I go out on my bike, my bike makes me happy.”
It's kind of fitting that Walton goes out on the same weekend that the last Pac-12 games are held.
i was thinking the same. next year, no pac12, no Bill Walton telling us how great the pac12 is.
Bill Walton wanted to have homeless people relocated to space in Camp Pendleton because they were rude to him when he rode by
did not know that ..
Well, the bit about them being rude is an uncharitable exaggeration. Doesn't mean Walton was a villain, just that like most people he had his blind spots.
Roxy's two final Pac-12 signoffs were amazing. Mentioned Bill at the end of each and I feel like he definitely knew the end was near.
Last Pac-12 network broadcast: https://twitter.com/Pac12Network/status/1794231408560656555
Last Pac-12 event on ESPN: https://x.com/jemsinger/status/1795160265262039052?s=46&t=GQgGzEvm18uQQTwlNk7fFw