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Lots of discussion here about DeBoer and Hoke, and earlier about Jay Norvell, all successful head coaches from the Mountain West and making about $1 million a year or less. Does anyone think that Cal would have beaten Fresno or San Diego State this year after losing the way they did to Nevada? It makes you realize what a terrible return on investment Cal is getting with the $3 million a year they are paying Wilcox. The fan base is utterly apathetic, and it shows in the stadium attendance this year. The networks don't care about Cal, either, with more than half the games on the Pac 12 channel. The only people who truly care are on this blog, all 100 of us.

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This isn't a Wilcox problem. It is a Cal problem. The problem lies with the Chancellor's office, because they give the AD his marching orders.

Start there.

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I am not trying to be snarky here, but I would like to know how the Chancellor's office is preventing Wilcox from putting a better team on the field. I am aware of the lack of institutional support for football at Cal, but Wilcox is pulling down $3 million a year and has had recruiting classes that rank about in the middle of the Pac 12 in most years. And yet the product we are seeing is wildly inconsistent. Is it lack of money to hire better assistant coaches....what?

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The Chancellor's office isn't making resources available to football specifically to run the kind of program that competes for and produces championships. Wilcox is limited by the resources available to him. A newish stadium is nice, a training facility that's often promoted as state-of-the-art is nice, but those are not the only things needed to build a program that competes for and wins championships.

Do you think that Cal offers the same or nearly the same resources to its football program that are offered at USC, UCLA, or even Stanf*rd?

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You had to know the rumors that Wilcox was high on Washington's consideration list was all smoke. Shame on Wilner for starting them. There is absolutely no way a university with those resources and money would hire a guy with a 14-26 record in conference. Wilcox is Cal's specific problem, and I think he is only going to leave when he is shown the exits.

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Getting Wilcox's name out there by hook or by crook makes a decent stalking horse to assist de-escalating any letdowns for not selecting one of the more "prestigious" HC's out there. Regarding Wilcox's name being dropped giving him some future buoyancy is pretty moot given his record.

DeBoer is a great choice IMO but not in the perceived stature as Matt Campbell where a lot in husky-land were thinking lately. Many were solid on DeBoer but not as strident.

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Absolutely. From the get-go it was going to be a massively hard sell to a UW fan base that thinks they should be in CFP discussion each year.

I'm no fan, but Wilner definitely has sources, tho this was suspect from the start.

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UW would have had to go way down the list until they settled in Wilcox. Especially after what UW and everyone else saw on Saturday night when ucla beat us 42-14.

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Can we hire Tedford as our OC? Less stress on his health; already knows Wilcox. Musgrave's got to go.

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Jeff Tedford for AD

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This is what I’ve been trying to promote.

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Not the problem. The problem lies with the Chancellor's office. It is my belief that alums take their cues from the Administration in terms of what projects can be and will be supported.

The alums could change the equation, but I don't detect any enthusiasm for trying to do so. The overriding ethos of the Cal community is that we're a renowned academic institution with a reputation for academic excellence and leadership that must be upheld. Athletics is entirely secondary.

The people reading this almost certainly do not share this outlook. We are outliers within our own larger community. Understand that before trying to change the world.

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That is a problem, yes. But having an AD who is incapable of selecting the right coaching candidates given the our resources and context on hand is also a considerable problem -- and a more fixable one at that.

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Knowlton is merely an expression of what Christ wants in an AD. Christ hired Knowlton, not Dirks. As long as Christ remains Chancellor, whoever is AD will reflect Christ's priorities in athletics.

I do not believe that football and athletics in general at Cal has the same priority that it does at Stanf*rd or any other Pac-12 school.

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Again, I don't disagree that the overall issue is more systemic, but it's not Christ that hired an agency and ended up with Fox as our mens basketball coach. Also, It hasn't always been the Chancellor that governs the AD. Before Christ, Wilton was the puppet master for Barbour. I think Christ may delegate a lot of the Athletics stuff to Koshland now.

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Actions are given sanction from the top.

If your point is that Christ is not directly involved, I'll concede the point. But she does sanction the actions and/or the actors.

My greater point is that Cal's football program over the decades since the Ronny Knox Affair has been heavily influenced by the Chancellor, administration, and faculty that has wanted to rein in athletics in general and football in particular.

There is an institutional animosity to football at Cal and it is why Cal football has prospered sporadically at best.

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I was only really disagreeing with the idea that most of the blame resides with Christ. Because of the overall lack of a legacy of institutional support (no one could argue with you otherwise, but there have been a couple of outliers in Tien and Wilton by proxy), my expectations of her or any chancellor is low. It's the hand we're perpetually going to be dealt, so why even talk about it? There is still however much that can be done to improve or worsen our fate from the AD's office, and that is a position where there's a more realistic chance of instituting some sort of upgrade. The larger problem is not getting fixed any time soon, so you fix what you can.

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Sonny creating a "Hot Ticket" with a Memorial return?? There are no hot tickets, at Cal. Just the empty seats caused by mediocre football.

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I think Pete Carroll is going to be fired. He's 70 but still looks young and he's from San Francisco. He can fire up fanbase.

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God no.

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He can be Monty of football

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Is he going to neglect recruiting like Monty?

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If CFB was World War II, which nation would Cal be? I'm assuming that SEC is the Axis and everyone is the Allies...

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Canada. Important, but only middling in impact. Nice, smart, and good people. But not critical to the overall outcome.

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Canada? They made a real contribution to the allied cause. Canada is more like a Washington, not a blue blood but have definitely made a mark on College football. Cal football to WW2 is more like Mexico, had an extremely negligible role but they weren’t neutral so they can at least say there were on the right side of history.

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The Mexican Air Force helped us with Japan.

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That's right, people sometimes forget that Canada helped with the invasion of Normandy. The Canadians were an important part of the war effort.

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UW has won a Natty, and Canada is my home away from home, but not a Natty winning nation. Less population and GDP than California alone!

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Cal has won multiple nattys!

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Canada was in WW2 from jump and ended up putting a million men in uniform.

Granted its weird but fun analogy question but comparing Cal football to Canadas role in the second world war is an insult to Canada.

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Switzerland

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And Stanford is France

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Belgium

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My usual, almost instant reaction to the new coach hired news is to hit that teams main blog site to see the variety of comments and get some kicks out of them or dwell over the reasoned-out post. Gonna hold off till later this evening as I've read too much new/fire coach stuff lately and have hit my limit.

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New target: Brady Hoke. Coached at Michigan, doing great at SDSU now.

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I'm sure some school out there might bite, but I hope not us! I really don't think Hoke has proven himself yet. He did a one-year stint at SDSU before flying off to Michigan, where he failed pretty miserably. I think he did a stint as DC at Oregon State? before it blew up. After that he was lucky enough to get hired as the OC by his former DC, Rocky Long, a few years ago. IMHO Rocky really turned SDSU into a pretty solid program before he retired last year, leaving the job back to Hoke.

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That would be Brady Hoke's stint with the Ducks during Mark Helfrich's final year. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

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Just noticed the Brian Kelly news. Then read a rather scathing article on it on Yahoo Sports by a USA Today by Dan Wolken. Pretty interesting take on it.

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Has Kelly ever won a meaningful game other than the patsies they play each and every year? When he goes up against ranked teams, he has his ass handed to him. Why LSU or anyone else would hire that re-tread is comical. He isn't a winner when it matters most!!

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Link please

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The problem with Wolken's take is that he has it in his mind that there is some sort of leadership governing college football that can intervene -- much less one with some sort of conscience. The NCAA has been undressed and the sport is increasingly governed by an amalgam of conferences and networks -- each with varying levels of influence.

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Wolken's take is also needlessly hyperbolic. He's trying to make it seem that this is something new. No, it's not. Kelly made the calculation that he's already accomplished as much at UND as he ever will. Kelly believes that UND isn't getting into the CFP this year. He might not even care about next year, either. Brian Kelly cares about Brian Kelly in the here and now. Period.

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Brian Kelly to LSU? Whoa. Didn't see that one. Fickell to ND seems almost too tidy.

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Matt Campbell in mix too…

It’s Urban Meyer’s dream job- he’s prob kicking himself for taking on JAX disaster!

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Would you be surprised if Meyer just jumped from JAX before the season ended? I would not. Feels like he's been trying to bait them --consciously or unconsciously -- into removing him all season.

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Well, according to this he's not going anywhere...(Off topic, but I pray for Paul Finebaum to get shingles every single day, BTW)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32754321

Honestly, tho, the only thing that would surprise me is if Urban Meyer is back in JAX next year....anything other than that seems well within the realm of possibility.

Things just look bleaker and bleaker for the Jags, tho, as 11 games into his career Trevor Lawrence does not look like an NFL QB, despite being one of the best prospects in draft history.

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I think Lawrence will figure it out and become a good QB. I'm not sure he's a superstar. He might have been hit by the too-much, too-soon bug, but he checks to many of the boxes to be a dud. I just think that JAX situation is a tremendous mess (minus Marvin Jones), so it's hard to evaluate him so far.

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Even Jones isn't putting up numbers although he's making incredible catches as usual.

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Spencer Rattler in transfer portal. He'll wanna go somewhere where he can start immediately.

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Oregon. Their grad transfer is leaving. Not sure about the guy in the wings.

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It's scary to think that if Stanford ever wanted to get in this same game with both feet, they could. They have more money than God. Fortunately they seem pretty content being just good enough most of the time.

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They can't get the athletes they would need to constantly compete into Stanford (and we and UCLA have similar issues)

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ND and Michigan have similar challenges. ND certainly found a way to make it work.

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They did but Harbaugh a golden toilet and that seemed to pay off at the time.

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All meh for the LA lifestyle. If they can get him into Bel Air CC or LA CC, then I will be impressed.

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Gross.

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dawgpound seems to be content. We shall see in 4 years time.

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DeBoer sounds like a great hire. More problems for Cal in the north. Meanwhile Wilcox looks more and more like damaged goods. There was a reprieve after the big win over Furd but the goodwill created was lost a week later in the UCLA carnage.

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Wilcox can get a lot of it back with a win this weekend. I like beating SC as much as, if not more than, the Furd. I assume a lot of Old Blues feel the same way. I think Wilcox job is safe today, but that could all change if Saturday gets ugly.

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Pawl....haven't had that feeling of beating SC too much lately, right? If my memory serves, it has happened exactly two times in the last 22 years. Holmoe of all people beat them twice during his tenure. I am with you, though. Hate them way more fierce than Stanford.

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If it gets ugly, against this SC team then I think Wilcox could be in some danger of being let go or go into next season as a lame duck coach.

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I fear Saturday may not get ugly, tho anything but a win is a disappointment.

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Exactly this. No moral victories against this SC team. We are favored and generally, Wilcox has won games that he is favored to win.

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I am not a Cal alum, and will admit that I don't share the same hatred for Stanford. But a truly satisfying Big Game win in my book would be the 2009 game when Shane Vereen ran up their asses. Or even the 2019 game with evenly matched teams and Garbers' late game heroics. Stanford was damaged goods going into that game, and everyone has been running them out of the stadium. So the AD feeling good after the Stanford win or Wilcox getting an extra season or two does not hold water for me.

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Naw, it is always great to beat the shit out of Stanford, regardless how bad they are. In fact, I enjoy beating them even more when they are down so they can feel the despair of just how bad they are and know that it isn’t getting any better anytime soon.

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That won’t last, with their top 15 recruit class, I’m sure they are going to shoot back up the rankings

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I have a sickly feeling they will be better than Cal next year once they heal up. Who has the better coaching staff?

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We'll probably have a new QB next year who won't do as well as Garbers. That, and the erratic nature of our play has me thinking four wins tops next season.

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Garbers wasn’t exactly Aaron Rodgers out here, I wouldn’t assume his replacement will be worse.

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True, tho whenever Cal's needed another QB during the Garbers era, they've pretty much been unable to complete a pass...so call me concerned if Garbers hangs them up....

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Please don't say that. Arizona was a win if The Vid didn't hit us.

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True, but unfortunately it did hit us....the only school to be drastically affected by COVID for a 2nd consecutive year...that's not a coincidence, and it will probably affect the program again next year at some point, to some extent, as well...

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If Garbers is not back, it will be because he made a conscious decision to move on. If he wants to play another year and re-write the Cal QB record books, I am pretty confident Wilcox and crew can get him into a Masters program...

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I doubt Wilcox and crew have that kind of pull to get anyone into a Masters program at Cal.

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Perhaps but that roster has been in decline and Tavita Pritchard makes Musgrave look like Lincoln Riley in comparison.

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Another fail by Cal. Knowlton has got to go.

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No love for Knowlton, but what about the above is his fail?

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We should have hired DeBoer weeks ago.

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Yeah, that was never going to happen even if Knowlton had the stones to want to do so. If they wanted to move away from Wilcox they would for sure wait it out to see if UW would grab him to avoid a buyout. Unless Wilcox did something unseemly like what Lake did, there's no reasonable chance Knowlton would have received the kind of support he needed from the administration to remove him before the season's end. That has only happened once since I've followed Cal. It was Campinelli. And even then, Bockrath made the case that Campinelli was verbally abusing players (which may have been true, but the real reason was that he was underperforming with a generationally talented team at a point in the season that made it still salvageable). Also, having worked at Cal for many years, I know the HR mechanisms do not support any kind of expediency. I remember after Cuonzo was "hired" he didn't have a contract for quite some time even into the new season because of Cal's archaic processes.

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I wanna say that Cal team got housed at MSG by Cornell, I believe, and Campanelli pulled a full-on Urban Meyer and traveled back to the hotel separately.....am I making this up? It was my FR year at Santa Barbara, and there's been many, many adult beverages since then........

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Yes, that Cornell loss was the breaking point, but I don't recall Campinelli travelling separately from the team. Seems unlikely and I'd guess I would have remembered that detail. Bockrath apparently overheard Campinelli berating the team in pointed/personal fashionat halftime or after the game in the locker room, which sealed it for Bockrath. But I think Bockwrath new long before that Campinelli was the wrong coach for that team and was looking for a way to get him out before the team blew up. Campinelli had kind of an ironclad grasp on the job, so the news was really shocking. I don't think Bockrath wanted to hire Bozeman either, but he really had no choice after the way the team rallied around him.

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I think a big part of it was that Chancellor Tien was near the locker room and overheard part of a halftime or post game yelling session. And the team went to (had gone to?) Bockrath previously.

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Campanelli rode that velvet jacket way too long at Cal

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Well that would have required us to fire Wilcox weeks ago, which we were never going to do. Chances are Wilcox is more than likely getting an extension after this season than getting fired.

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That would be insane to give him an extension.

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We can't compete in this coaching market, and we can't have him recruit as a lame duck. He gets an extension with a favorable buyout.

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Based on his record through 5 years, giving Wilcox an extension would cause a revolt by boosters at pretty much every division I program. I refuse to believe the administration are that apathetic to reward Wilcox with an extension.

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Not only will we more than likely be extending Wilcox but he will probably be bringing back his whole staff and extending all of them as well.

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. . . but with Jeff Tedford as his new special teams coach. :)

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For the AD, beating Furd is enough for Wilcox' job security. Plus, we'd be on the hook for his buyout if he is fired without cause. If a suitor comes looking for Wilcox they would pay it off, but that's not likely to happen as we all know.

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