Our @ESPN story on the ACC voting this morning to invite Cal, Stanford and SMU, per ESPN sources. Commissioner Jim Phillips lands the plane on a move for the ACC that pushes it to 18 programs and drives hundreds of millions in revenue to the league.
I think it's posturing. Because he said expansion wouldn't be best right now, is basically trying to make his wishes known. Either that, or NC State changed their vote
The optimist in me says that it's face-saving - he knows expansion will happen, and he's putting this out in advance to say "hey it wasnt me", to placate those (like women's soccer coach) who are against it.
The pessimist says he's doing it to make it easier for NC St to vote no.
Yeah, it’s weird to put this out now. Like, wouldn’t you have discussed this with the Chancellor during the many weeks that this has been a pressing decision? It does feel like they think the vote is going against them and are tossing a Hail Mary to try derailing it.
OK, while we're killing time, I'm gonna float something here at the expense or potentially coming across as a dolt. My degree isn't in Econ, Accounting , or Marketing, let alone an MBA, but here goes anyway. --- If expansion leads to a grab of more market share, then I assume it is fair to say 'the bigger the better"? Given that there are only so many schools whose teams have a cachet of winning or some other strong, compelling positive, quality attribute, then the conference that has the most schools with the most "winning / positive / quality" recognition has the most value and therefore the most resultant income. If the SEC, BIG, and Big 12 are done expanding for now, shouldn't the ACC (soon to be C2C), try and snag and "lock in" as many schools as possible "with the right competitive, eyeballs drawing stuff" right now before the three titanic conferences rev up their expansion engines again. Therefore, shouldn't the ACC (C2C) poach and padlock more schools right now and become a larger, less regional, more national conference? Cal, Stanford, SMU, SD St., Ore St., Wash St., Tulane, Rice, Tulsa, Navy, UConn, and others that make sense. I know there is the "at what cost aspect", and the rules, regs, and controls aspects, and the "too much too soon" avoidance aspect, but there should be enough of a common sense of the basics to make educated decisions now. The full, logical culling can take place later. Control the schools means control of the conferences and control of the game. Never again would the ACC be known as the 1 in the Big 3 +1. To the bold go the spoils.
There is a good article in the News Observer (Raleigh, NC) that describes all the reasons the ACC should not add the three schools. It ends by stating adding the three school is the best bad decision the ACC could make. Search for it on the web and you’ll have a better idea of how others view the value of adding Cal and Stanford. Unfortunately the recent performances of the football and basketball teams don’t impress the folks in NC.
Nor should they. Knowlton and Christ enabled incompetence from the revenue sports at a time in college sports when it needed to be front and center. In so doing, they quite possibly destroyed the entire department.
hard to deny - the administration tolerated inferior athletic team results, did little or nothing to turn around things (like firing incompetent coaches), and treated athletics like PE class - Cal's only good results came in sports where the coaches refused to accept subpar, indifferent performances and coached and willed the teams to excellence - rugby, crew, swimming, water polo, and a few others
Wo! I feel good, I knew that I would, now
I feel good, I knew that I would, now
So good, so good, I got you
Wo! I feel nice, like sugar and spice
I feel nice, like sugar and spice
So nice, so nice, I got you
Wo! I feel good, I knew that I would, now
I feel good, I knew that I would
So good, so good, 'cause I got you
So good, so good, 'cause I got you
So good, so good, 'cause I got you
Go Bears!
PS now I just need to fix the sleeping disorder
LOVE ALL OF YOU!
AND GO! EFFING! BEARS!!!!!!
PETE THAMEL:
Our @ESPN story on the ACC voting this morning to invite Cal, Stanford and SMU, per ESPN sources. Commissioner Jim Phillips lands the plane on a move for the ACC that pushes it to 18 programs and drives hundreds of millions in revenue to the league.
CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE"RE IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"THE BEARS! THE BEARS HAVE WON!"
I have nothing clever or productive to add, other than…GO FUCKING BEARS!!!!
BearGreg seems quite confident that it's happening. We shall see!
https://bearinsider.com/forums/2/topics/116216
And the latest from the UNC trustees now has him less confident. Yikes!
https://bearinsider.com/forums/2/topics/116221
UNC has always been a firm NO. Not sure how this is news.
NC State was always the one you had to flip.
I think it's posturing. Because he said expansion wouldn't be best right now, is basically trying to make his wishes known. Either that, or NC State changed their vote
why would he publicly say this?
The optimist in me says that it's face-saving - he knows expansion will happen, and he's putting this out in advance to say "hey it wasnt me", to placate those (like women's soccer coach) who are against it.
The pessimist says he's doing it to make it easier for NC St to vote no.
I guess we'll find out tomorrow.
Yeah, it’s weird to put this out now. Like, wouldn’t you have discussed this with the Chancellor during the many weeks that this has been a pressing decision? It does feel like they think the vote is going against them and are tossing a Hail Mary to try derailing it.
"Only a miracle can save the Bears..."
- Joe Starkey, November 20, 1982
OK, while we're killing time, I'm gonna float something here at the expense or potentially coming across as a dolt. My degree isn't in Econ, Accounting , or Marketing, let alone an MBA, but here goes anyway. --- If expansion leads to a grab of more market share, then I assume it is fair to say 'the bigger the better"? Given that there are only so many schools whose teams have a cachet of winning or some other strong, compelling positive, quality attribute, then the conference that has the most schools with the most "winning / positive / quality" recognition has the most value and therefore the most resultant income. If the SEC, BIG, and Big 12 are done expanding for now, shouldn't the ACC (soon to be C2C), try and snag and "lock in" as many schools as possible "with the right competitive, eyeballs drawing stuff" right now before the three titanic conferences rev up their expansion engines again. Therefore, shouldn't the ACC (C2C) poach and padlock more schools right now and become a larger, less regional, more national conference? Cal, Stanford, SMU, SD St., Ore St., Wash St., Tulane, Rice, Tulsa, Navy, UConn, and others that make sense. I know there is the "at what cost aspect", and the rules, regs, and controls aspects, and the "too much too soon" avoidance aspect, but there should be enough of a common sense of the basics to make educated decisions now. The full, logical culling can take place later. Control the schools means control of the conferences and control of the game. Never again would the ACC be known as the 1 in the Big 3 +1. To the bold go the spoils.
There is a good article in the News Observer (Raleigh, NC) that describes all the reasons the ACC should not add the three schools. It ends by stating adding the three school is the best bad decision the ACC could make. Search for it on the web and you’ll have a better idea of how others view the value of adding Cal and Stanford. Unfortunately the recent performances of the football and basketball teams don’t impress the folks in NC.
Nor should they. Knowlton and Christ enabled incompetence from the revenue sports at a time in college sports when it needed to be front and center. In so doing, they quite possibly destroyed the entire department.
hard to deny - the administration tolerated inferior athletic team results, did little or nothing to turn around things (like firing incompetent coaches), and treated athletics like PE class - Cal's only good results came in sports where the coaches refused to accept subpar, indifferent performances and coached and willed the teams to excellence - rugby, crew, swimming, water polo, and a few others
ACC. Power. Move.
Let the second guessing commence!
You'd have to pay a pretty penny in The City to get teased like this.
"As the Campanile Turns"
"...it tolls for thee."
can someone please share the Zoom info? I'd like to listen in.
UN: jknowlton
PW: cretin1868
"ACC presidents agree to speedy ent moot.
Treebeard promises hasty conclusion sometime this decade."
Good outcome: We're voted in
Bad outcome: We're not voted in
Worst outcome: ANOTHER GOD FORSAKEN MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR THE FUTURE TBD
Even worst outcome: We're voted in at $5 bucks per year
yes but this would be the dream outcome for SMU