UNC is a good school, beautiful campus, and there are lots of nice places in the state.
The athletic admin (including coaches) have not been friendly to Cal but I hope we can earn the respect of the fans (long shot, but worth a try). Olive branch...
Went to grad school at UNC, and one thing that shocked me about Carolina history was its delayed full admission of women until 1963 (a full 8 years after its 1955 desegregation order). Prior to that, most women could only be admitted to UNC beginning their junior year unless they were part of certain limited majors that allowed freshman women. Now women are usually about 60% of undergrads.
Having been to Carolina many times, nothing was better than beating the Heels in Carmichael Auditorium. James Worthy broke his ankle 25 feet in front of me and my Maryland team Super Bowl Sunday 1980. Our Ernie Graham jumped in their pool which didn't make Carolina employees happy. They told me to get him out. I told them I wasn't gonna go that.
The UCLA comparison is enough to make me loathe them with brotherly enmity, but add in their pretension of academic parity with us and Mack Brown and all I can do is laugh. It will be fun to compete against them, and I will celebrate the wins with gusto. How sad to live in a state with no real mountains as their highest peak is less than 7,000, no deserts, a median household income ranked 39th in the country, poor public education outcomes and funding, and let's face it, no Golden Gate bridge! Glad folks living there have somewhere to go after high school but that baby blue color is puke.
And yet people are fleeing Cali in droves and people are flocking to the Carolinas. Oh yeah in the Carolinas a 250K house doesn't cost 1.5 million Go figure
That's true, but if cost of living was the criteria for a great place to live we'd all be in Kansas or Mississippi. Reality is that wages are much higher in the West as well. Even up here in WA state, a nice home in the Seattle corridor will be just shy of $1 million, but that is what happens when you have a prosperous economy and people with lots of assets.
Funny and side thing: my wife and I bought our first home in the Berkeley area about 25 years ago when our first son was born. Our mortgage then is essentially the same as our mortgage now some 7 homes later and a seeming lifetime later. Interest rates are half and wages have gone up considerably. We feel like we are in most ways standing still but make much more money so have done well with savings.
No need for snobbery here pal. NC is a pretty state and UNC is a good school. These fuckers stand their ground as if they have tar on their heels.
I want the broader CGB->WFC community to be aware that many fans of all these new teams we're in bed with now are coming here to check us out, and there's no need for us to perpetuate the elitist stereotype that many of us aren't aware that we have.
Fair point. I want to agree more fully and yet my point is based on the still strongly held bias in our nation for east coast places, schools and politics. The Pac12 is dead not only from mismanagement, but because of political and economic geography that is biased against the West despite it being the economic engine of the country in many ways. We are virtually ignored in the West unless we do something gigantic in sports. Having lived for a while in New England, and CO I know first hand that the common view of the Pacific West is simultaneously envious and yet deeply dismissive. Only freaks and surfers live out here.
I'm a humanist, deep down, and know good people are born and live the world over. And it is also true that regional stereotypes play out and what people believe is true is true in its consequences. I'd never be anything less than hospitable to any fans, and I will still poke fun at the regionalism that costs the West so much in terms of national energies and benefits. Every state in the West pays more in federal taxes than it receives.
I hear ya. But I guess it is true that 80% of the US population lives East of the geographic dividing line (98th meridian) of the continental US. I think the ACC is going to be good exposure for us and I think this brave new reality, however temporary, is helping to revitalize our program.
I've been a huge UNC MBB fan since about 80-81. Grew up in the East Bay and back in the early 80s and if I remember, there was 1 televised MBB game a week on Sat and it was usually UNC, UCLA, ND, or Indiana. So I rooted for UNC. I'm hoping the MBB road trip in 2025 is UNC/Dook and not UNC/NC State or UNC/Wake. As soon as they announce the roadtrip I'm going to buy my airfare and bug my ATO rep to get a ticket!
I don't blame Mack Brown for lobbying for his team. Tedford should have done the same, and he should have scored another TD against Southern Miss instead of taking a knee.
The real contemptible thing was that Mack's brother Watson, who was head coach at UAB at the time and had a vote in the coaches poll, tanked his ranking of Cal at the end of the season, to 14 IIRC. Everyone else had us in the top 5. I don't know if it was enough to cost us the Rose Bowl, but it was utterly corrupt.
Mack Brown...
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UNC is a good school, beautiful campus, and there are lots of nice places in the state.
The athletic admin (including coaches) have not been friendly to Cal but I hope we can earn the respect of the fans (long shot, but worth a try). Olive branch...
Went to grad school at UNC, and one thing that shocked me about Carolina history was its delayed full admission of women until 1963 (a full 8 years after its 1955 desegregation order). Prior to that, most women could only be admitted to UNC beginning their junior year unless they were part of certain limited majors that allowed freshman women. Now women are usually about 60% of undergrads.
The University of Virginia didn't admit undergraduate women until 1970, a full 100 years after Cal did!
"I want to get on their good side. I should agree with them about:"
How much Duke sucks. Duke is "their" Stanford but with that extra dose of arrogance and entitlement (think USC).
Having been to Carolina many times, nothing was better than beating the Heels in Carmichael Auditorium. James Worthy broke his ankle 25 feet in front of me and my Maryland team Super Bowl Sunday 1980. Our Ernie Graham jumped in their pool which didn't make Carolina employees happy. They told me to get him out. I told them I wasn't gonna go that.
Tedford in the subhed is misspelled.
The UCLA comparison is enough to make me loathe them with brotherly enmity, but add in their pretension of academic parity with us and Mack Brown and all I can do is laugh. It will be fun to compete against them, and I will celebrate the wins with gusto. How sad to live in a state with no real mountains as their highest peak is less than 7,000, no deserts, a median household income ranked 39th in the country, poor public education outcomes and funding, and let's face it, no Golden Gate bridge! Glad folks living there have somewhere to go after high school but that baby blue color is puke.
And yet people are fleeing Cali in droves and people are flocking to the Carolinas. Oh yeah in the Carolinas a 250K house doesn't cost 1.5 million Go figure
That's true, but if cost of living was the criteria for a great place to live we'd all be in Kansas or Mississippi. Reality is that wages are much higher in the West as well. Even up here in WA state, a nice home in the Seattle corridor will be just shy of $1 million, but that is what happens when you have a prosperous economy and people with lots of assets.
Funny and side thing: my wife and I bought our first home in the Berkeley area about 25 years ago when our first son was born. Our mortgage then is essentially the same as our mortgage now some 7 homes later and a seeming lifetime later. Interest rates are half and wages have gone up considerably. We feel like we are in most ways standing still but make much more money so have done well with savings.
No need for snobbery here pal. NC is a pretty state and UNC is a good school. These fuckers stand their ground as if they have tar on their heels.
I want the broader CGB->WFC community to be aware that many fans of all these new teams we're in bed with now are coming here to check us out, and there's no need for us to perpetuate the elitist stereotype that many of us aren't aware that we have.
Fair point. I want to agree more fully and yet my point is based on the still strongly held bias in our nation for east coast places, schools and politics. The Pac12 is dead not only from mismanagement, but because of political and economic geography that is biased against the West despite it being the economic engine of the country in many ways. We are virtually ignored in the West unless we do something gigantic in sports. Having lived for a while in New England, and CO I know first hand that the common view of the Pacific West is simultaneously envious and yet deeply dismissive. Only freaks and surfers live out here.
I'm a humanist, deep down, and know good people are born and live the world over. And it is also true that regional stereotypes play out and what people believe is true is true in its consequences. I'd never be anything less than hospitable to any fans, and I will still poke fun at the regionalism that costs the West so much in terms of national energies and benefits. Every state in the West pays more in federal taxes than it receives.
I hear ya. But I guess it is true that 80% of the US population lives East of the geographic dividing line (98th meridian) of the continental US. I think the ACC is going to be good exposure for us and I think this brave new reality, however temporary, is helping to revitalize our program.
I would be fine with no desert though.
I love to visit. Living in the rainforest of the PNW makes me eager to visit the deserts of Eastern WA. OR or CA.
I grew up in East Coast as Michael Jordan's fan and rooted for North Carolina. So I like them. I will just root for Cal whenever we play them.
I've been a huge UNC MBB fan since about 80-81. Grew up in the East Bay and back in the early 80s and if I remember, there was 1 televised MBB game a week on Sat and it was usually UNC, UCLA, ND, or Indiana. So I rooted for UNC. I'm hoping the MBB road trip in 2025 is UNC/Dook and not UNC/NC State or UNC/Wake. As soon as they announce the roadtrip I'm going to buy my airfare and bug my ATO rep to get a ticket!
Which alumni will they pretend they’ve forgotten?
Rashad McCants.
I don't blame Mack Brown for lobbying for his team. Tedford should have done the same, and he should have scored another TD against Southern Miss instead of taking a knee.
The real contemptible thing was that Mack's brother Watson, who was head coach at UAB at the time and had a vote in the coaches poll, tanked his ranking of Cal at the end of the season, to 14 IIRC. Everyone else had us in the top 5. I don't know if it was enough to cost us the Rose Bowl, but it was utterly corrupt.
I had finally begun to let all this go, not knowing about the brother thing, OSCB! Now you’ve given me new fodder. Unbelievable nepotism. Grrrrr!
Hey, why don't we have a live mascot?
....oh, wait, never mind.
Thanks, Nick. I still wonder what "Tar Heels" refers to.