"The offense ran an extra spring with all of the coaches in good camaraderie. Really a nice moment to see. With some good laughs by the players throughout the entire scenario."
This bit shows that they are competing but aren't hostile to each other. Which is a great thing to hear.
That’s my biggest takeaway. The Chryst quote from yesterday about giving the younger guys as many snaps as possible with the older guys picking and choosing their plays/reps. I think that applies to across the team as a whole. We’ll see what happens when the dust settles and they go into game week with the actual depth charts. But for now it’s gonna be interesting to see which youngsters push into the lineup. For the record I think Monroe, Terry, Latu are playing this season. You can’t keep them out.
The coaches will look at the body of work over the entire camp. From what it sounds like now, Zach Johnson has a mastery of the offense and command of the huddle that Kai Milner has yet to learn, even with his big arm. Knowing the complexity of the Pro Style offense it is doubtful Kai will master it in the next three weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if Zach ends up being the starter next year as Kai takes two seasons to master the offense and ends up starting for two years. This offense is most like as complex as Tedford's offense and it literally took two years for a QB to learn it. If any of you remember Joe Ayoob he played at SF City College before coming to CAL when 'City' was the national JC powerhouse. I was coaching at Cabrillo JC back then and the word on Ayoob was he was the best QB talent any opposing coaches had every faced. He was legendary. Unfortunately for Joe he was shoved into the starting role after only one Spring in the back up position after Nate Longshore went down and sadly he never was able to live up to the hype. It wasn't because he did not have the talent, it was because he never had the time in Tedford's system to learn it well enough to be successful. The Pro Style offense is not the Spread offense, which can be learned very fast and depends on repetition of a small number of plays. Remember this when you think about our young talented QB's. Unless they ran a similar offense in High School, it will take them a couple of seasons to master. And, most High Schools run the spread or some form of it these days. Lastly, to finish on a high note, our own Joe Ayoob holds a world record: http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7625552/former-cal-quarterback-joe-ayoob-sets-world-record-longest-throw-paper-airplane
My impression with Ayoob was that the offense was not well suited to his talents. He seemed pretty mobile and mobile quarterbacks were not a part of Tedford's system.
Mobile QB's are always welcome. Longshore was NOT mobile and look what happened to him. I can tell you at the JC level coaches of opposing teams (and his head coach) saw him as a generational talent. It's too bad he never had time to learn Tedford's offense. With his arm and mobility he could have been one of our best ever, but it was not to be. Btw, Tedford, and every other head football coach, loves mobile QB's.
Since there is so much learning time that goes into a QB mastering the Pro Style offense, I'm glad to see that Cal has been focused on getting a quality QB recruit every single year. That really lessens the chances that the team will crater if the starter goes down, as happened in the aforementioned example. I'm really looking forward to seeing what this offense can do in the fall.
It shows you how good Aaron Rodgers is, that he was able to handle a complicated Pro Style offense with a lot less lead time than many QBs require. Some of what I remember reading about the offense in the Tedford days is that the blocking schemes were also incredibly complicated, which led some guys to really struggle with them. Hopefully that is not the case with this brand of the offense.
I do think it's likely though that, since Millner had such a long commitment, that Musgrave had been sending him the playbook before he even got to campus. It'll definitely be a QB battle for sure in the spring and fall, and it's going to come down to Musgrave's ability to see early on in fall where Millner's development path will be
Hi Owen, it's doubtful that Musgrave sent the playbook to Kai as a commit before he was enrolled and on campus. I've never known that to happen. Kids can change commitments, then your playbook is no longer secret. Also, just learning plays on paper is way different than actually running them and getting the timing down. And the other part is mastering the audibles. A real master of the offense can change up the play at the LOS and the Coach will be comfortable with that. (I hate these OC's that have their QB's line everyone up, call set and then look to the sideline for the audible call. Coach your kids up I say).
Foe all you Garbers doubters...and to the WFC crew, this is worth an additional write-up: https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/cbs-sports-garbers
"The offense ran an extra spring with all of the coaches in good camaraderie. Really a nice moment to see. With some good laughs by the players throughout the entire scenario."
This bit shows that they are competing but aren't hostile to each other. Which is a great thing to hear.
Sounds like a great practice and many of the young Bears are flashing.
That’s my biggest takeaway. The Chryst quote from yesterday about giving the younger guys as many snaps as possible with the older guys picking and choosing their plays/reps. I think that applies to across the team as a whole. We’ll see what happens when the dust settles and they go into game week with the actual depth charts. But for now it’s gonna be interesting to see which youngsters push into the lineup. For the record I think Monroe, Terry, Latu are playing this season. You can’t keep them out.
7 on 7's are ALL passes. So if he only missed two, that's pretty damn good.
The coaches will look at the body of work over the entire camp. From what it sounds like now, Zach Johnson has a mastery of the offense and command of the huddle that Kai Milner has yet to learn, even with his big arm. Knowing the complexity of the Pro Style offense it is doubtful Kai will master it in the next three weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if Zach ends up being the starter next year as Kai takes two seasons to master the offense and ends up starting for two years. This offense is most like as complex as Tedford's offense and it literally took two years for a QB to learn it. If any of you remember Joe Ayoob he played at SF City College before coming to CAL when 'City' was the national JC powerhouse. I was coaching at Cabrillo JC back then and the word on Ayoob was he was the best QB talent any opposing coaches had every faced. He was legendary. Unfortunately for Joe he was shoved into the starting role after only one Spring in the back up position after Nate Longshore went down and sadly he never was able to live up to the hype. It wasn't because he did not have the talent, it was because he never had the time in Tedford's system to learn it well enough to be successful. The Pro Style offense is not the Spread offense, which can be learned very fast and depends on repetition of a small number of plays. Remember this when you think about our young talented QB's. Unless they ran a similar offense in High School, it will take them a couple of seasons to master. And, most High Schools run the spread or some form of it these days. Lastly, to finish on a high note, our own Joe Ayoob holds a world record: http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7625552/former-cal-quarterback-joe-ayoob-sets-world-record-longest-throw-paper-airplane
My impression with Ayoob was that the offense was not well suited to his talents. He seemed pretty mobile and mobile quarterbacks were not a part of Tedford's system.
Mobile QB's are always welcome. Longshore was NOT mobile and look what happened to him. I can tell you at the JC level coaches of opposing teams (and his head coach) saw him as a generational talent. It's too bad he never had time to learn Tedford's offense. With his arm and mobility he could have been one of our best ever, but it was not to be. Btw, Tedford, and every other head football coach, loves mobile QB's.
I remember when Ayoob set that record.
Since there is so much learning time that goes into a QB mastering the Pro Style offense, I'm glad to see that Cal has been focused on getting a quality QB recruit every single year. That really lessens the chances that the team will crater if the starter goes down, as happened in the aforementioned example. I'm really looking forward to seeing what this offense can do in the fall.
It shows you how good Aaron Rodgers is, that he was able to handle a complicated Pro Style offense with a lot less lead time than many QBs require. Some of what I remember reading about the offense in the Tedford days is that the blocking schemes were also incredibly complicated, which led some guys to really struggle with them. Hopefully that is not the case with this brand of the offense.
Wondering what type of offense Aaron had in HS and at Butte JC....anyone know?
I do think it's likely though that, since Millner had such a long commitment, that Musgrave had been sending him the playbook before he even got to campus. It'll definitely be a QB battle for sure in the spring and fall, and it's going to come down to Musgrave's ability to see early on in fall where Millner's development path will be
Hi Owen, it's doubtful that Musgrave sent the playbook to Kai as a commit before he was enrolled and on campus. I've never known that to happen. Kids can change commitments, then your playbook is no longer secret. Also, just learning plays on paper is way different than actually running them and getting the timing down. And the other part is mastering the audibles. A real master of the offense can change up the play at the LOS and the Coach will be comfortable with that. (I hate these OC's that have their QB's line everyone up, call set and then look to the sideline for the audible call. Coach your kids up I say).