There was a Clemson administrator that was quoted as being agreeable with adding Calford. No idea if that person held any sway though.
FWIW, Clemson strikes me as the more reasonable one of the four original "No's". They have not been nearly as apoplectic as FSU about the GOR, and the NC schools seem to be against it for cultural reasons as much as realignment reasons.
Unfortunately I think there is a lot of hype being emitted by those schools who want the ACC to expand. Recall all the hype about how everyone was on board for the great new PAC-12 media contract? Although I have ties to Cal, Stanford and Wisconsin, I live in VA and am familiar with the politics of the ACC. I hope Cal and Stanford can obtain the votes, but I’m not confident they will.
I don't want to argue with you, but I don't share your optimism. I've seen what the reputable sources, including John Wilner, have reported, but these are the same folks who said the PAC-12 schools were all on board to sign the media agreement with Apple. Wilner has excellent contacts within the PAC-12, but even he was misled. In a number of the southern ACC states, politicians, not university presidents, are the key decision makers. An NC newspaper reported that UNC would only get about an additional $2 million if the expansion occurs. Most of that money would need to go towards the increased travel costs, so there was little value for the NC schools to vote yes. Remember it was a UNC coach who said he hoped the expansion talks died on the vine because he was opposed to having his team travel cross country. I suspect many other coaches share his view, but don't have the courage to say so publicly. Let's hope that this time the reputable sources are correct and haven't been lied to by their sources. Realignment is definitely a nasty business.
The travel issue is a joke (and that's not all Soccer Coach Butt Crack said). It would be 10-20% of the schedule. The burden is way worse for the west coast schools having to go the other way. The travel is an excuse.
Again, if those aren’t the votes to flip then I don’t know which ones will be. Clemson and FSU wouldn’t flip first.
There was a Clemson administrator that was quoted as being agreeable with adding Calford. No idea if that person held any sway though.
FWIW, Clemson strikes me as the more reasonable one of the four original "No's". They have not been nearly as apoplectic as FSU about the GOR, and the NC schools seem to be against it for cultural reasons as much as realignment reasons.
Unfortunately I think there is a lot of hype being emitted by those schools who want the ACC to expand. Recall all the hype about how everyone was on board for the great new PAC-12 media contract? Although I have ties to Cal, Stanford and Wisconsin, I live in VA and am familiar with the politics of the ACC. I hope Cal and Stanford can obtain the votes, but I’m not confident they will.
Ehh, reputable national sources have been reporting it, as have some of the Cal insider types. I tend to think it’s still likely.
I don't want to argue with you, but I don't share your optimism. I've seen what the reputable sources, including John Wilner, have reported, but these are the same folks who said the PAC-12 schools were all on board to sign the media agreement with Apple. Wilner has excellent contacts within the PAC-12, but even he was misled. In a number of the southern ACC states, politicians, not university presidents, are the key decision makers. An NC newspaper reported that UNC would only get about an additional $2 million if the expansion occurs. Most of that money would need to go towards the increased travel costs, so there was little value for the NC schools to vote yes. Remember it was a UNC coach who said he hoped the expansion talks died on the vine because he was opposed to having his team travel cross country. I suspect many other coaches share his view, but don't have the courage to say so publicly. Let's hope that this time the reputable sources are correct and haven't been lied to by their sources. Realignment is definitely a nasty business.
The travel issue is a joke (and that's not all Soccer Coach Butt Crack said). It would be 10-20% of the schedule. The burden is way worse for the west coast schools having to go the other way. The travel is an excuse.
There is nothing more to say until a decision is made.
Well, if I read and recall rightly, he said Calford's sports should die on the vine.
We must be worth something, there's some visceral hate for us out there.
Realignment reminds me of hostile takeovers and global monopolism, both nasty and menacing.