I know that FSU and Clemson were "no" votes and NC State flipped. Not sure about UNC, although many of their trustees signed a statement opposing the move.
Good article further down this thread - very embarrassing for Cal as their administration freeloaded thru the entire process. "What the hell!!!" The whole group is useless: Clueless Carol (maybe it should be Useless Carol), Empty Suit Jim, and The Coot. They should be taken to task for doing nothing. Amazing, the Cal side just watched the parade.
Rick, you keep ripping on Carol and Jim without having any idea if what you are saying is true. I had the chance to talk with Knowlton for a half hour, one on one, in July of 2022. I came away thoroughly impressed. Do you know how big of a deficit he inherited with CAL athletics? Do you know that he figured out how to keep all our athletic programs financially viable? I didn't think so. Perhaps instead of having knee jerk reactions from superficial observations you should actually go talk to some of these people and really understand the reasons behind their decision process. Knowlton is a West Point grad and always has ten sets of alternative fallback plans they way the military taught him. We may be unhappy with how the PAC folded, but I can tell you I am a fan of Jim Knowlton.
Honestly, Rugbear, I have felt torn between honoring JK's service to our country and disliking his record at Cal. I believe there is groupthink wave of anger looking for a scapegoat. Some cite causes; others figure he's the guy in charge. IMHO, Cal should never have been reduced to being a beggar whatever led to that condition. Moreover, Cal should not be happy with middling results. Our athletics should match our academics, so, we should be the premier public university athletics in the USA and the feel from the cheap seats, here, is Cal leadership disdainfully tolerates athletics and will never let the Bears out.
I hear you Bowlesman, but think in these terms (context is key): when knowlton arrived he had about a$50m shortfall in our athletic budget. By scrambling, raising money, restructuring our finances and more, he kept all of our sports programs intact. We don't have Stanfurd's endowment and we don't have overwhelming Administration, faculty, and even alumni support for our athletic department and sports programs. We operate at a deficit and yet we still have a top 20 overall athletic program. And, Knowlton did hire Mark Madsen. Finally, with respect to our football program, Wilcox had it on the rise before Covid. Covid killed us. That loss to AZ because the idiot Berkeley health official would not let a third of our team travel (including our #1 and #2 QB's). Remember and world renown epidemiologist at UCSF said at the time that anyone who had the vaccine would have traces of Covid that would be found it they were tested. The key was were the players symptomatic. The vast majority of our kids were asymptomatic. We lost to a shit team, and the local crazy politics that impact our program were exposed. Mettauer left CAL because of this. Other recruits went different directions. In any event, Wilcox had some off years as a result of Covid. This year he has a top ten portal class. We have 50 new players. Our top end talent is better and our depth has never been better. I expect Wilcox to start delivering better results this year. In the big picture, we look pretty good unless you expect us to be Alabama or Oregon. That is never going to happen. We don't live in a state where there is rabid support for our football team and where the UC system will spend what Alabama spends to win. And we don't have a Phil Knight...yet.
I don't expect us to be Oregon or Alabama, yet, but if we were to match our academics, then we should be striving for that. A five year plan? And, yes, I think both the community and lackadaisical leadership support of athletics would hobble NCAA coach of the year. I think firing WIlcox would set us back even more and not solve the problem. Every Bear fan begins the season with hope, but this will and should be a watershed year where we fans step and make it clear that the program matters to us. If this is not the turning point, then during the next conference shuffle, we will not make it to a lifeboat.
Custer is a great example of how one can be remembered more for one's mistakes than one's successes. What's the formula in business? One angry customer bad-mouthing you cancels out 10 happy customers.
So was Grant, Lee, Sherman, Pershing, McClellan, Eisenhower, McCarthur, Patton, Sheridan, Bradley, and Schwarzkopf. You can always find a loser as an outlier, but our military academies generally pump out solid officers.
Due to all this morning's chaff, I didn't see the actual vote results, were there 3 nos?
I know that FSU and Clemson were "no" votes and NC State flipped. Not sure about UNC, although many of their trustees signed a statement opposing the move.
Good article further down this thread - very embarrassing for Cal as their administration freeloaded thru the entire process. "What the hell!!!" The whole group is useless: Clueless Carol (maybe it should be Useless Carol), Empty Suit Jim, and The Coot. They should be taken to task for doing nothing. Amazing, the Cal side just watched the parade.
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Rick, you keep ripping on Carol and Jim without having any idea if what you are saying is true. I had the chance to talk with Knowlton for a half hour, one on one, in July of 2022. I came away thoroughly impressed. Do you know how big of a deficit he inherited with CAL athletics? Do you know that he figured out how to keep all our athletic programs financially viable? I didn't think so. Perhaps instead of having knee jerk reactions from superficial observations you should actually go talk to some of these people and really understand the reasons behind their decision process. Knowlton is a West Point grad and always has ten sets of alternative fallback plans they way the military taught him. We may be unhappy with how the PAC folded, but I can tell you I am a fan of Jim Knowlton.
Honestly, Rugbear, I have felt torn between honoring JK's service to our country and disliking his record at Cal. I believe there is groupthink wave of anger looking for a scapegoat. Some cite causes; others figure he's the guy in charge. IMHO, Cal should never have been reduced to being a beggar whatever led to that condition. Moreover, Cal should not be happy with middling results. Our athletics should match our academics, so, we should be the premier public university athletics in the USA and the feel from the cheap seats, here, is Cal leadership disdainfully tolerates athletics and will never let the Bears out.
I hear you Bowlesman, but think in these terms (context is key): when knowlton arrived he had about a$50m shortfall in our athletic budget. By scrambling, raising money, restructuring our finances and more, he kept all of our sports programs intact. We don't have Stanfurd's endowment and we don't have overwhelming Administration, faculty, and even alumni support for our athletic department and sports programs. We operate at a deficit and yet we still have a top 20 overall athletic program. And, Knowlton did hire Mark Madsen. Finally, with respect to our football program, Wilcox had it on the rise before Covid. Covid killed us. That loss to AZ because the idiot Berkeley health official would not let a third of our team travel (including our #1 and #2 QB's). Remember and world renown epidemiologist at UCSF said at the time that anyone who had the vaccine would have traces of Covid that would be found it they were tested. The key was were the players symptomatic. The vast majority of our kids were asymptomatic. We lost to a shit team, and the local crazy politics that impact our program were exposed. Mettauer left CAL because of this. Other recruits went different directions. In any event, Wilcox had some off years as a result of Covid. This year he has a top ten portal class. We have 50 new players. Our top end talent is better and our depth has never been better. I expect Wilcox to start delivering better results this year. In the big picture, we look pretty good unless you expect us to be Alabama or Oregon. That is never going to happen. We don't live in a state where there is rabid support for our football team and where the UC system will spend what Alabama spends to win. And we don't have a Phil Knight...yet.
I don't expect us to be Oregon or Alabama, yet, but if we were to match our academics, then we should be striving for that. A five year plan? And, yes, I think both the community and lackadaisical leadership support of athletics would hobble NCAA coach of the year. I think firing WIlcox would set us back even more and not solve the problem. Every Bear fan begins the season with hope, but this will and should be a watershed year where we fans step and make it clear that the program matters to us. If this is not the turning point, then during the next conference shuffle, we will not make it to a lifeboat.
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Custer is a great example of how one can be remembered more for one's mistakes than one's successes. What's the formula in business? One angry customer bad-mouthing you cancels out 10 happy customers.
So was Grant, Lee, Sherman, Pershing, McClellan, Eisenhower, McCarthur, Patton, Sheridan, Bradley, and Schwarzkopf. You can always find a loser as an outlier, but our military academies generally pump out solid officers.
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