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Bowlesman 80's avatar

What if, JW was offered a demotion to DC? I mean the Defense is solid, right? With Troy Taylor, (c) GoBears49, as HC?

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Honestly, a guy that turned down a top-15-in-the-nation Head Coaching job, at his alma mater no less, would probably be fine with this move…provided he got the same $$$…

;-)

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

That could get awkward when they hire his counterpart OC. "Why am I not getting the same as him?"

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Given how good he’s been at the job so far, I have the utmost confidence in Jim Knowlton’s ability to massage this situation.

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

LOL. "Less is more."

Honestly, maybe Knowlton needs a replacement.

Hey, won't the wondrous, dynamic leader of the PAC12 be looking for a job?

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OskiHimself's avatar

JW as DC, rehire Sonny as OC, Taylor as HC 😃😂

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

I'm glad we solved this.

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OskiHimself's avatar

It was that easy

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

Honestly, if it could be done, it would be an ideal coaching staff, but the biggest ask is for HC to step down. Not to mention differences they may each have with each other's philosophies.

But a dream coaching team, alright. ;)

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Trilljester's avatar

All right, here we go with the kickoff. Harmon will probably try to squib it and he does. Ball comes loose and the Bears have to get out of bounds. Rodgers, along the sideline, another one... they're still in deep trouble at midfield, they tried to do a couple of – the ball is still loose, as they get it to Rodgers! They get it back now to the 30, they're down to the 20... Oh, the band is out on the field! He's gonna go into the end zone! He got into the end zone!

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

Holy Toledo!

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KJ1980's avatar

Sadly, the loss was not a surprise. I love the Bears but they are nixed or whatever

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Given that Bill Musgrave is awful at coaching 19-year old student-athletes, it was actually no surprise whatsoever.

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GAB1's avatar

Did Wilcox, staff, & team take a 2wk vacation? Then all just met in Boulder, Saturday morning?

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ak_A_bear's avatar

I’m gonna watch some later games, like SC-Utah & OSU-WSU. But probably on mute to avoid references to Colorado’s glorious victory.

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OC Bear's avatar

I've switched to Bama-Tenn to watch some real P5 programs.. (No way CBS does a Cal-Co update.)

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

Did you see that fucking Tennessee fumble? OMG! Before that a bullshit PI call that ended up with a Bama TD.

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ak_A_bear's avatar

Forgot about that but on it now. However Colorado is a “feel good story” that may come up.

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napabear's avatar

To think that I was happy that Wilcox turned down the Oregon job,,,

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Not sure what kind of a coach does that?

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

One that is comfortable with our Administration's low expectations. Oregon would be a crucible.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

True…but does he aspire to that type of mediocrity? That’s Gaylord M. Focker 10th-place wrestling-ribbon type schitt, no? ;-)

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

Maybe not mediocrity, but complacency, yes. Maybe he wants to be a cage fighter like Napoleon Dynamite.

As far as crucibles go, I will bet there's voices in Bama fandom that, now, that they lost to Tennessee, want Nick Saban fired. We're not like that, but, maybe, we need to be.

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ShanghaiDave93's avatar

Buyout?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if we fire Wilcox this year, isn’t the buyout is $3.6m under the new contract?

The firing term is without cause, though after today’s game, I believe we have cause and then some.

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OC Bear's avatar

Good thing we extended all football coaches....wouldn't want any of them to get poached.

(do we have a sarcasm font?)

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ShanghaiDave93's avatar

This reminds me of the Oregon St game with Tedford. A blowout in miserable rain.

It just has the feeling of being spent / exhausted. Everyone knew Tedford was done afterwards.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Yep, this feels like Tedfords final season at Cal, a lackluster and incoherent offense and a losing record.

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GAB1's avatar

This was not the same team that went to Notre Dame

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CalBear91's avatar

Yes, that's my feel too. It's just over. You can tell when a coach has lost a team. I'm not in the locker room, but at the very least Musgrave and his staff have lost the offense. The defense played fine today, given the injuries they've had. But mojo is a funny thing. It's vaporous. There is no mojo left on this squad.

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calpaladin's avatar

Can't put this on the defense. They got 3 turnovers and only gave up 13 points in regulation.

The offense though, it just doesn't make sense. Every RB should have had at least 10 touches by the half -instead we only had 18 designed rushing plays for the entire game. Just inexplicable.

I'm not even sure if this team can beat Stanfurd. Blueprint for the rest of the conference was set by WSU - pressure Plummer when Cal is on offense since we won't run the ball and exploit good field position for scoring opportunities when Cal is on defense and when Cal's defense is worn out after so many 3-and-outs by the offense, take apart the tired secondary in the 4th quarter.

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C Bass's avatar

We all need therapy, because no matter how bad it gets, we always comeback for more…

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GoldenBear88's avatar

C Bass: Truer words have never been spoken! I must be a masochist to keep watching such an inept offense. Only the love I have for my alma mater keeps me watching this shit-show, but I have decided to pull the plug on Cal Football, for this season at least. At least under Dykes we could score 40-50 points without breaking a sweat (although this was tempered by defenses that couldn't stop a sneeze). Why is it so damn hard for Cal to get things right on BOTH sides of the ball? With even an average offense, we could have beaten the Buffs today. Alas, Cal Football having nice things (like hope) is not to be.

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goldenone's avatar

I'm tired. I've been watching Cal since high school and things have never been so bleak.

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GAB1's avatar

🤣

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Old Bear 71's avatar

My wife agrees with you.

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goldenone's avatar

Wilcox is done so fire the Oregon braintrust. If I'm Knowlton I'm on the phone to Troy Taylor. Just think millions and millions of dollars to watch this crap.

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OC Bear's avatar

of course, you are correct. You only fire a coach mid-season if you want to give an Assistant a shot to be Interim.

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Archon79's avatar

Wilcox ONLY play at this point is to fire Musgrave, dump this playbook into the nearest trash bin and hope a new coordinator can give a spark to this absolutely moribund offense.

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CalBear91's avatar

Yes, but the problem is mid-season. We don't likely have someone on staff to promote. It's just appalling. What I traveled to Pullman to see at WSU was not an anomaly. This game was worse, as the WSU defense is better.

Our offense makes every teams defense look like world beaters.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Wilcox would need to fire him tonight. I don’t care who runs the offense or call the plays but if Wilcox doesn’t fire Musgrave tonight, Knowlton should fire Wilcox after we lose next Saturday.

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napabear's avatar

This is the worst a multiple-year coach has done since the dark days of Holmoe

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Never a good sign to have the worst loss of your career come in year 6, after a BYE as 15 point favorites…

Dire times, folks. Wish I could say I was surprised, either.

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GAB1's avatar

You are correct. A freshman QB on an 0-5 team? Then his backup? But no, I wasn't surprised. Only Cal

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HoodBear's avatar

Admin need to keep our talent amidst coaching changes else we are back to 0…

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royrules22's avatar

Least surprising Cal loss, especially after Dorrell was fired. This is just the way it goes recently.

Man I miss the early Tedford years

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Absolutely.

This actually isn’t as big of an upset as last year at Tucson, even with COVID absences. THAT team was horrific…this CO team was fired up for Sanford, after a BYE…anyone that’s actually watched Cal’s offense under Wilcox and with Musgrave should really not be that surprised by this result.

Tedford would’ve beat this Colorado team by 20 tho, even late in his career.

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Steve W's avatar

And the last two years under Snyder. It definitely showed the possibilities of what good coaching can achieve with mostly 2 and 3-star players.

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goldenone's avatar

Either they fire some people or give up on power 5 football. Enough is enough. I'm done.

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Justbear's avatar

The positive news is Colorado's interim HC looks good and they don't need to hire Taylor

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napabear's avatar

Thanks for that lone ray of sunshine

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Steve W's avatar

Taylor won't last long enough while Cal dithers around with the guy they just gave a 4-year extension to and a $1.5 million annual raise.

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CalBear91's avatar

Well, I'm grateful we lost in as much as it makes perfectly clear the need to make major changes. I realize firing the entire offensive staff is not practical mid-season, but that was the most inept attempt at offense since I last saw Cal play football. It's on Wilcox, too, of course.

It's not that we don't have the horses. There is something missing in the coaching and culture. For the first time in many years I won't even watch the post game videos to hear what Wilcox and folks have to say. Nothing they say will matter.

Knowlton? Calling Knowlton? I'm truly sorry for Wilcox because he's a genuinely great guy, but this breaks the back. The Bears are dead. Long live the Bears.

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GAB1's avatar

Ikr? Worst offensive performance ever. 2wks to prepare? They weren't prepared. Players & coaches. How many times to you keep running into 8 in the Box 🤷‍♂️

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Daddy's avatar

You don’t want to watch Wilcox angry and frustrated then do absolutely nothing about it?

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CalBear91's avatar

Nah, I guess not. Reminds me of what we always tell our kids: What you say doesn't matter, it's what you do.

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chowder's avatar

That sucked. My one piece of advice, rather than dwell on this miserable game. I am going to go for a run and try to salvage something of the day. I recommend you all do something similar.

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CruzinBears's avatar

I just did the same, got some of the nerves and frustration out

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Steve W's avatar

Gonna be visiting my mom in Sacramento next weekend. I think I just decided my Saturday night viewing: undefeated Sac State against undefeated Montana. I have little doubt that Cal will play better in Berkeley next week because they generally show up at home. But ZERO excuses for going 1-10 on the road the past few seasons. That alone should get you fired.

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ak_A_bear's avatar

I might go down there a few days early to visit my sister who lives within walking distance of Hornet Stadium…. But I also saw it is going to be on ESPN2. 8pm

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OskiHimself's avatar

Changes to coaching staff need to be made immediately. TODAY.

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GAB1's avatar

Specifically on offense. Can't win on just field goals alone

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AndDriveDriveDrive's avatar

Somebody better be fired for this.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Preferably Wilcox. He doesn’t know how to fix this.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

THAT’S the problem…there’s no future for this program under JW.

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goldenone's avatar

He's done. Probably will get one more year but this is the nadir.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

He shouldn’t get one more week.

The season is lost, he isn’t going to turn it around so learn from the team you just lost to and cut your losses.

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Archon79's avatar

Wilcox needed to let go Musgrave last off season.

Now Wilcox should go too.

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GAB1's avatar

Keeping Musgrave sealed his doom

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goldenone's avatar

So sad. Time marches on and after six years we are back to horrible unwatchable Cal football. There are no words. Wilcox and Musgrave have to go today.

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Bowlbasaur's avatar

Knowlton will say something about Olympic sports when the reality is nobody gives a shit and his oversight of football and men’s basketball is gonna bankrupt the athletic dept.

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OC Bear's avatar

he can talk all he wants about Olympic sports --- we are all proud when they do well -- but the simple fact is that Football pays the bills for those Olympic sports.

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Steve W's avatar

I have been to well over 100 Cal football games, but don't even know where Haas is on campus. And I have never watched an Olympic sport at Cal. The non alums like me are important for the health of the the overall program because, as you say, football pays the freight. The AD needs to find a way to keep me and others like me interested. I am still flabbergasted he extended Wilcox last year.

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GoldenBear88's avatar

Cal Fans: Here are some new slogans for our Golden Bears: "Cal Football: Where teams go to get their first wins!" or "Cal Football: Where hope goes to die!" Holy shit was that some BAD play calling. Musgrave has got to go. Get ready to see Ott in a new uniform next year. Hell, he may not even wait that long. The O-line couldn't keep Plummer standing or open lanes for Ott. The D-line couldn't get any consistent pressure. Thank God I will be at a wedding next week because I really can't watch any more Cal Football.

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chowder's avatar

I also have to say, for those watching via streaming, it was an absolutely atrocious broadcast. Cutting to commercial break during live action, inconsistent and jumping streams, cameramen not following the play. People should be yelled at and fired at the Pac-12 networks. If you don't want to be yelled at, then do your damn job!

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Archon79's avatar

An offense like this???

Ill be surprised if we win another game.

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Oski Disciple's avatar

The loss to Wazzu was bad, the performance against UNLV was bad, but this was at a whole other level. Horrible? Pathetic? Putrid? God awful? Inexcusable? Disgusting? Embarrassing?

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AirBear2015's avatar

I can't believe this...now that we've finally recruited offensive talent. It'll be blown up again...

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C98's avatar

If I was Jadyn Ott’s dad I’d tell him to get himself away from this shitshow and into the transfer portal asap

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Oh he’s gone.

Ott was gone the minute he went for 277 v U of A.

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chowder's avatar

I'm not that much of a pessimist, but its been two weeks since he had more than two hand offs where he didn't get hit in the backfield.

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Archon79's avatar

Getting Jadyn Ott to stay through a coaching change should be the priority of Knowlton.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Yep, protect yourself and get the paperwork ready to transfer to UCLA or USC.

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OskiHimself's avatar

He’s gone.

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OskiHimself's avatar

And so is J Mike

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ShanghaiDave93's avatar

If Wilcox has any shred of dignity he should resign immediately.

If he cares at all for the kids he’s coaching, then he owes it to them to step down.

He needs to give them and Cal a chance at something better and to move on.

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ak_A_bear's avatar

They got a name for the losers in this world……they call me golden blue. I gotta learn to play the saxophone instead of following this team.

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GoldenHairs's avatar

Can't put this on latu, shouldn't be in OT with fucking 0-5 buffs

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Justbear's avatar

Colorado fans look so happy

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

We make dreams come true.

You See happy opponents.

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SD23's avatar

Totally ready for a coaching change now, no more excuses, lost faith. Need to grab Taylor from Sac St.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

No Covid excuse this year for the poor offensive and QB play. This is all on Wilcox.

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GAB1's avatar

Bye week means no practice 😆

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sacman701's avatar

Ugh. We just lost to the single worst team in the FBS. At this point 4-8 would be a good season.

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Daddy's avatar

Come out of your holes Wilcox defenders we are lining you up.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Come out and get your boy! He needs you the most now!

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C Bass's avatar

No bowling.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

We may not win another game.

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Rick Chen's avatar

sad but true

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Steve W's avatar

As I ponder the future of Cal football under Wilcox, I have no words. So I turn to some inspiration from Bill Murray in Groundhog Day who said, "It's going to be cold, it's going to be gray and it's going to last you for the rest of your life."

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

Good game, Colorado.

You played with heart.

Prayers for Smith.

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chowder's avatar

I am now done with Wilcox. I'm on-board with firing him after this season.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Sure, but how do you fire him after extending him? The whole department looks laughably inept.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I don’t know where the money comes from but you need to fire him.

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chowder's avatar

In this case, its better to cut your losses and move on.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

I agree.

I never would’ve extended him simply for passing on Oregon which, to be honest, was an incredibly puzzling move by JW.

I’d actually think higher of Knowlton if he took that decisive action…but he won’t. Nor will Wilcox with Musgrave.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I agree.

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OskiHimself's avatar

Get Wilcox the f*** out. Last year we lose to Arizona, this year CO. Are you kidding me

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

They’re the worst program in the Conference…

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OskiHimself's avatar

**Cal worst program

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Ya, that’s my point.

If you lose to the worst team in the P12 back to back years, then you are the worst team…not Arizona, not Colorado.

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AirBear2015's avatar

Screw this man. No way in hell the Big Ten considers us now if they were at all

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Justbear's avatar

Nah, we weren't much expected in football terms anyway

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chowder's avatar

That is wrong. Level of play was not a deciding factor.

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Rick Chen's avatar

They never considered us

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coyote32's avatar

Two balls that should have been caught in end zone.

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Bowlesman 80's avatar

One was.

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SadAndColdNortheastBear's avatar

Wilcox came aboard my senior year and I have long defended him against naysayers. But, this game was the last straw for me. Roll on you bears...

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OC Bear's avatar

What took you so long?

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SadAndColdNortheastBear's avatar

The irrational highs from winning the big game for the first time since '08, having a pretty good 2019 season (plus winning a bowl), and having some cool statement wins along the way (2017 wazzu, the 2 years beating washington when they were pac 12 contenders, fun wins against ole miss, beating $C, etc.).

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Archon79's avatar

I was wavering on Wilcox but losing to Colorado is unforgivable.

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chowder's avatar

You are not alone. This game was finally the tipping point for me. And I am generally not a rash overreaction person.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

My final straw was losing at U of A last year, even with the COVID absences.

Good HC’s and healthy programs still find a way to win that game. The Wildcats were atrocious.

This year, there were plenty of ways Colorado wins this game. Cal is dreadful on O - you could lose to anyone.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Nah, Cal is the worst team on the Buffs schedule, and plenty of things were in Colorado’s favor. They still should have beaten that U of A team…Cal’s futility at the QB position and inability to develop a competent backup QB was the coaching staff’s fault, not COVID’s. Decent programs win that game regardless.

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KetamineCal's avatar

I'd say this loss is a fireable offense but it's obvious we're incapable of offense.

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Trilljester's avatar

Press F to pay respects. Cal football is dead, long live the Golden Bears.

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