Lair of the Bear .. since we talked about it recently
here is an email i just got ...
Lair Speciality Sessions for Adults Only
Summer camp for adults! Join us for a kids-free specialty session this summer:
Sports and Recreation Camp: June 10 – 17
Women's Wellness Weekend: August 16 – 20
Food and Wine Experience: August 18 – 20
Adult sessions include staff-led hikes, kayaking, art, pool time, campfire shows, mixers, and more. It's a welcoming environment where you'll make amazing new friends, so come solo or with friends.
A Cal alum that is in the Miata club told me about the Sports and Rec camp. She also said they have volunteer weekend before it opens. You can stay for free but have to help do things like clean and paint. Actually sounds kinda cool. I have never been and she said that might be a good, go and check it out for free and see how you like it.
The volunteer camp sounds pretty cool. The Lair was a lot of fun, man…I went for 15 years growing up as a camper, and really regret not going back as a staffer whilst in college. Newellbany and I did spend our college summers working on staff at a Conference Center/Family Resort in the Adirondacks…I found a lot of similarities. I’d totally support giving it a whirl, hag!
I like these, but only have Vinyl of them when I was looking stuff up - so I couldn't see these when I was making the list from iTunes (no where near all) Also, The Jam was super great with some songs, but a lot less with the whole album.
Lots of good ones in that list. I saw The English Beat and Morrissey (sans the rest of The Smiths, of course) live last year.
I was a big fan of The Strokes over their first few albums but I lost track of them after that. I even picked up a copy of their album Is This It in England because the US release omitted the song "New York City Cops," which was too insensitive for American audiences in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 because the chorus has the line: "New York City Cops, they ain't too smart."
my favorite song of theirs is Uneasy Rider .. a sort of long narrative ballad about driving thru the south ..
The narrator protagonist of "Uneasy Rider" is a long-haired marijuana smoker driving a Chevrolet with a "peace sign, mag wheels, and four on the floor."
Heh, I remember that "Millions of Peaches" song by them. It always seems to show up in unexpected places, like in a recent episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
So some comments about The Beatles. A great band? Oh absolutely zero question about that, they clearly are. Does that mean every one HAS to think there the greatest? No that's not the way things are, people can like what they want. I have Sgt. Pepper Band (1967) album but I never listen to it. If I picked the two I like best it would be Rubble Soul (1965) and Revolver (1966). My parents were fans after we moved to England '66, and before we left I think BBC 4 played a video of Abbey Road EVERY NIGHT.
Anyway my parents were fans, and I liked them too, but I think for some reason I liked The Who better (why? not in anyway sure) I think everyone who has any opinion about rock music should understand: all of the best other bands in England (The Kinks, Stones & Who) knew and agreed that the Beatles were ahead of them, were doing elements of music structure and composing that were a couple years ahead them. That's not a minor reason for where you rate them, even if you're not a fan (which is OK!).
There are differences, though. If I say who I think should be the starting quarterback, or whether the basketball team should play a zone, those are debatable topics and differing views are expected and welcome. But if you say your favorite fruit is strawberry what's the point of someone saying they don't like strawberries? It's a matter of taste.
Fair but I am just debating on the overall greatness of The Beatles. I think they are good and I certainly don’t dislike them and their music. I am just debating their overall greatness. The same way we debate athletes and whether some are overrated or underrated or who the GOAT is or your favorite Cal football player of all time might be. It is open to debate, opinion and interpretation due to a number of factors.
But you've got data to attack assertions about greatest athletes, there's nothing to debate about whether chocolate is delicious or the Beatles sound good. You can convince a person they're wrong about Marshawn Lynch as Cal's greatest running back but not about whether they prefer coffee to tea.
I disagree and assert there's plenty of data to debate whether chocolate is delicious or The Beatles sound good. It's more subjective than much of the data underlying comparisons between Marshawn and other Cal RBs, but there's still data underlying those opinions that is worthy of discussion. And opinions can indeed be changed based on those underlying data (my opinion on coffee, for example, has changed considerably as I've gone from someone who for a long time drank k-cup pods to someone who now mostly drinks various dark roast espressos).
Chocolate, for example: Hershey's is chalky, grainy rubbish in comparison to a silky, smooth bar like Tony's ChocoLonely.
And for The Beatles, I don't really care for their earlier music, but I greatly enjoy their later work (Abbey Road, Sgt. Pepper's, White Album) which is much more experimental in lyrics, instruments, and time signatures.
Back to the original discussion, it probably would be more illuminating to say "I think The Beatles are overrated because X," as that digs into the data (subjective as it may be) behind those opinions.
With greatest respect, OD, I absolutely do hate salmon and find the Beatles to be incredibly overrated. I prefer grilled swordfish and The Rolling Stones.
That said, however, I completely respect your opinion and hope you enjoyed some delightful poached salmon whilst listening to Rubber Soul on the turntable…Norwegian Wood, baby.
At the end of the day, the BIGGER issue is winning more ballgames and getting closer to bowl eligibility and the Bubble….
;-)
Remember, as for the DBD, it’s all about the friends you make along the way…now we know more about yours, B97’s and Golden’s preferences…
I saw one in Death Valley. 10,000 foot elevation below the summit of Telescope Peak which I was hiking to the top. The vegetation there had switched from mesquite and junipers to alpine plants, which the Elk was munching on. I emailed Tom Stienstra the outdoors guru about the encounter, which seemed fairly odd whereas bighorn sheep are more common up there.
Hah, I once emailed Stienstra, too. He wrote and article entitled "Discovered...[something, something]" which reveled at discovering a local waterfall that many of us had been going to for years. He changed the title after I kindly pointed out that his article made it sound as if he were the first to visit this waterfall.
Dear Edward, Ep 6 from last night is in the books.
We’ve discussed before, but again, boy howdy, just highly recommended…a very touching AppleTV series based on a book that Scootie and a number of others have read.
Starting Shrinking now, apparently, as it just rolled right over into it.
HAG and I watched the first 2.5 quarters of the Warriors game vs the Lakers. even though the Ws got it down to a 1 point lead right after hafltime it did not look like they had any real chance of winning ..
when the Lakers lead got above 10 i went to bed. i assume HAG watched to the end mostly because of time zones and jet lag.
I went back to work a little bit with about 7 min left in the 4th. Warriors played poorly. Poole had quite a few head scratching TOs. Warriors got beat down the court many many times for Laker fast break points. One time they showed Steph on replay just shaking his head back and forth. It's hard for Klay to really do his thing without Steph and Poole being effective. Which is why he could never be No 1 on a team. Bench players couldn't hit a 3 that hey normally do. Even wide open ones.
Someone not doing a great job on the official Cal web site. Went to the links in the women's swimming story to see how the Pac champs are going. Links take me to pages for men's hoops.
I didn't watch last night's basketball game (actually, I don't think I've watched a minute of Cal men's bball over the last two seasons), but this tweet tells me all I need to know about how it went:
Lair of the Bear .. since we talked about it recently
here is an email i just got ...
Lair Speciality Sessions for Adults Only
Summer camp for adults! Join us for a kids-free specialty session this summer:
Sports and Recreation Camp: June 10 – 17
Women's Wellness Weekend: August 16 – 20
Food and Wine Experience: August 18 – 20
Adult sessions include staff-led hikes, kayaking, art, pool time, campfire shows, mixers, and more. It's a welcoming environment where you'll make amazing new friends, so come solo or with friends.
A Cal alum that is in the Miata club told me about the Sports and Rec camp. She also said they have volunteer weekend before it opens. You can stay for free but have to help do things like clean and paint. Actually sounds kinda cool. I have never been and she said that might be a good, go and check it out for free and see how you like it.
The volunteer camp sounds pretty cool. The Lair was a lot of fun, man…I went for 15 years growing up as a camper, and really regret not going back as a staffer whilst in college. Newellbany and I did spend our college summers working on staff at a Conference Center/Family Resort in the Adirondacks…I found a lot of similarities. I’d totally support giving it a whirl, hag!
Is this a lifestyle, clothing optional adults only summer camp?
Good to know,.
Are divorced single guys able to attend the August 16-20 weekend, HSB? Can you get an answer on that for me?
;-)
Who came up with that ASU story? Where is it from?
Your favorite band with "The" in their name
I was trying to think of a band with "the" in the middle but I couldn't come up with one.
THE Eagles.
Big Head Todd and THE Monsters
I had the same response as everyone else and looked for bands _starting_ with "the," so I'll add
The Joy Formidable
The Chemical Brothers
The Beta Band
The KLF
The Dead Milkmen
The Specials
The Charlatans (UK)
The Jam
but strictly speaking the qualifier is just "in," so I'll add My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult and Elvis Costello and the Attractions
Hmmm...
I like these, but only have Vinyl of them when I was looking stuff up - so I couldn't see these when I was making the list from iTunes (no where near all) Also, The Jam was super great with some songs, but a lot less with the whole album.
The Dead Milkmen
The Specials
The Charlatans (UK)
The Jam
The Dillinger Escape Plan
The Nationals
Well, nobody yet...
The Beths
The Black Keys
The Chills
The English Beat
The Jesus and Mary Chain
The Kinks (mainly 60's, early 70's)
The New Pornographers
The Replacements
The Smiths
The Soft Boys (only 2 albums!)
The Strokes
Lots of good ones in that list. I saw The English Beat and Morrissey (sans the rest of The Smiths, of course) live last year.
I was a big fan of The Strokes over their first few albums but I lost track of them after that. I even picked up a copy of their album Is This It in England because the US release omitted the song "New York City Cops," which was too insensitive for American audiences in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 because the chorus has the line: "New York City Cops, they ain't too smart."
The Police
The Cure
I like their first album (only one I have) in an imported English print with zero words about songs etc...
Their album "Disintegration" is one of my favorite albums of all time
The Charlie Daniels Band.
my favorite song of theirs is Uneasy Rider .. a sort of long narrative ballad about driving thru the south ..
The narrator protagonist of "Uneasy Rider" is a long-haired marijuana smoker driving a Chevrolet with a "peace sign, mag wheels, and four on the floor."
The Presidents of the United States of America. They just released their 1994 demo cassette “Froggystyle” on streaming today!
Heh, I remember that "Millions of Peaches" song by them. It always seems to show up in unexpected places, like in a recent episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Apparently it was about an LSD trip on the way to see Kurt Cobain’s ex: https://americansongwriter.com/behind-the-song-pusas-chris-ballew-talks-peaches-madonna-and-disorientation/
The Beach Boys
The Beatles.
So some comments about The Beatles. A great band? Oh absolutely zero question about that, they clearly are. Does that mean every one HAS to think there the greatest? No that's not the way things are, people can like what they want. I have Sgt. Pepper Band (1967) album but I never listen to it. If I picked the two I like best it would be Rubble Soul (1965) and Revolver (1966). My parents were fans after we moved to England '66, and before we left I think BBC 4 played a video of Abbey Road EVERY NIGHT.
Anyway my parents were fans, and I liked them too, but I think for some reason I liked The Who better (why? not in anyway sure) I think everyone who has any opinion about rock music should understand: all of the best other bands in England (The Kinks, Stones & Who) knew and agreed that the Beatles were ahead of them, were doing elements of music structure and composing that were a couple years ahead them. That's not a minor reason for where you rate them, even if you're not a fan (which is OK!).
I’ll be honest, not a big fan of them and I believe they are a bit overrated.
I always wonder why people do that. Someone names something they like and they get told, "I don't like it/them." Don't see the point.
What’s the point about anyone giving any opinion on anything.
There are differences, though. If I say who I think should be the starting quarterback, or whether the basketball team should play a zone, those are debatable topics and differing views are expected and welcome. But if you say your favorite fruit is strawberry what's the point of someone saying they don't like strawberries? It's a matter of taste.
Fair but I am just debating on the overall greatness of The Beatles. I think they are good and I certainly don’t dislike them and their music. I am just debating their overall greatness. The same way we debate athletes and whether some are overrated or underrated or who the GOAT is or your favorite Cal football player of all time might be. It is open to debate, opinion and interpretation due to a number of factors.
But you've got data to attack assertions about greatest athletes, there's nothing to debate about whether chocolate is delicious or the Beatles sound good. You can convince a person they're wrong about Marshawn Lynch as Cal's greatest running back but not about whether they prefer coffee to tea.
I disagree and assert there's plenty of data to debate whether chocolate is delicious or The Beatles sound good. It's more subjective than much of the data underlying comparisons between Marshawn and other Cal RBs, but there's still data underlying those opinions that is worthy of discussion. And opinions can indeed be changed based on those underlying data (my opinion on coffee, for example, has changed considerably as I've gone from someone who for a long time drank k-cup pods to someone who now mostly drinks various dark roast espressos).
Chocolate, for example: Hershey's is chalky, grainy rubbish in comparison to a silky, smooth bar like Tony's ChocoLonely.
And for The Beatles, I don't really care for their earlier music, but I greatly enjoy their later work (Abbey Road, Sgt. Pepper's, White Album) which is much more experimental in lyrics, instruments, and time signatures.
Back to the original discussion, it probably would be more illuminating to say "I think The Beatles are overrated because X," as that digs into the data (subjective as it may be) behind those opinions.
But what you end up with is a lot of: "I had a really good poached salmon last night. "Really? You like salmon? I hate it." Pointless.
With greatest respect, OD, I absolutely do hate salmon and find the Beatles to be incredibly overrated. I prefer grilled swordfish and The Rolling Stones.
That said, however, I completely respect your opinion and hope you enjoyed some delightful poached salmon whilst listening to Rubber Soul on the turntable…Norwegian Wood, baby.
At the end of the day, the BIGGER issue is winning more ballgames and getting closer to bowl eligibility and the Bubble….
;-)
Remember, as for the DBD, it’s all about the friends you make along the way…now we know more about yours, B97’s and Golden’s preferences…
Buck
Elk
One of the most magnificent animals in the wild.
We usually go hike along the coast and see the tule elk at Pt. Reyes at least once a year.
elk.zone is one of the better Mastodon web clients.
I saw one in Death Valley. 10,000 foot elevation below the summit of Telescope Peak which I was hiking to the top. The vegetation there had switched from mesquite and junipers to alpine plants, which the Elk was munching on. I emailed Tom Stienstra the outdoors guru about the encounter, which seemed fairly odd whereas bighorn sheep are more common up there.
Hah, I once emailed Stienstra, too. He wrote and article entitled "Discovered...[something, something]" which reveled at discovering a local waterfall that many of us had been going to for years. He changed the title after I kindly pointed out that his article made it sound as if he were the first to visit this waterfall.
Heh.
OUR CRUMBLING DEMOCRACY
DBD AV CLUB
Dear Edward, Ep 6 from last night is in the books.
We’ve discussed before, but again, boy howdy, just highly recommended…a very touching AppleTV series based on a book that Scootie and a number of others have read.
Starting Shrinking now, apparently, as it just rolled right over into it.
ELSEWHERE IN COLLEGE
PRO
HAG and I watched the first 2.5 quarters of the Warriors game vs the Lakers. even though the Ws got it down to a 1 point lead right after hafltime it did not look like they had any real chance of winning ..
when the Lakers lead got above 10 i went to bed. i assume HAG watched to the end mostly because of time zones and jet lag.
I went back to work a little bit with about 7 min left in the 4th. Warriors played poorly. Poole had quite a few head scratching TOs. Warriors got beat down the court many many times for Laker fast break points. One time they showed Steph on replay just shaking his head back and forth. It's hard for Klay to really do his thing without Steph and Poole being effective. Which is why he could never be No 1 on a team. Bench players couldn't hit a 3 that hey normally do. Even wide open ones.
CAL
Someone not doing a great job on the official Cal web site. Went to the links in the women's swimming story to see how the Pac champs are going. Links take me to pages for men's hoops.
I didn't watch last night's basketball game (actually, I don't think I've watched a minute of Cal men's bball over the last two seasons), but this tweet tells me all I need to know about how it went:
https://twitter.com/NorCalNickW4C/status/1628972881832198144
Saw a crowd shot, it looks like there were last people for last night's men's game than the women drew last weekend.
Go Bears!