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Celtics force game 7 with a 95-86 victory over the Sixers. Only 7 Celtics played.

https://www.espn.com/nba/recap/_/gameId/401545116

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The A's loss again and they're sitting at a 0.205 winning percentage. The worst modern-era percentage is the putrid 1962 Mets who finished 0.250. The all-time worst including 19th century teams was the 1899 Cleveland Spiders (0.130). If the season ended today, this Oakland team would be the third worst season behind the aforementioned Spiders, the 1890 Pittsburgh Alleghenys (0.169), and the 1889 Louisville Colonels (0.196).

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This will not deter me from going to the game on Sunday to enjoy the sunshine and day drink

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*Will be there with FS. Come through

Fire Starkey's avatar

seeing the A's lose will bring back a lot of memories from back in the day

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Nuggets smash the Suns 125-100 on the road, advance to the next round.

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401544339

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OUR CRUMBLING DEMOCRACY

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George Santos (fka Anthony Devolder) - born a poor black child - is on audio grifting and spewing antisemitic stuff

https://twitter.com/TheBeatWithAri/status/1656424125890457603

Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Has he figured out what his special purpose is for?

Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

It’s a really bad look.

O.Overall's avatar

How bizarre is this system wherein the fate of the republic lies in the hands of half dead 90 year olds that we wheel around like corpses to important votes. It seems like a dystopian sci-fi movie

GoldenSD81's avatar

Isn’t that basically the majority of human history? Old kings, Popes, authoritarians all clinging to power in old age, with physical and mental health issues but still making decisions that change the course of history.

O.Overall's avatar

Usually those people were killed in brutal transfers of power though!

GoldenSD81's avatar

Mike Pence almost got to experience that on J6.

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ELSEWHERE IN COLLEGE

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a compliment that you were given - recent or a long time ago - that you still fondly remember

Fire Starkey's avatar

"you are hung like a donkey!" Haven't heard that one yet but it would be good for the ego

Cugel's avatar

Skills are better...

goldenone's avatar

My 3rd grade teacher called me a "walking encyclopedia".

Oski Disciple's avatar

The compliments that mean the most are the ones that give specifics. I enjoyed your novel or really liked your class are nice but when the person gives details as to what they liked in particular it means a lot more. At the same time I feel uncomfortable when a person praises me to my face.

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I love the lead photo.

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[SB] Cal crashes out of the Pac-12 Tourney, losing to Utah 6-2 after giving up a 5 spot in the 1st inning.

https://calbears.com/news/2023/5/11/softball-big-first-inning-leads-utes-past-bears.aspx

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Homeless & supportive housing developer pulls out of that part of the People's Park development due to CEQA lawsuit-related delays. Boo to the litigants! https://www.sfchronicle.com/eastbay/article/developer-supportive-housing-people-s-park-18095055.php

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Guys, what do you think:

(1) About the recent stuff this week re how the person who the city of Berkeley is named after (someone I have never heard of before this) was a slave owner so some say the City and University should change their names. (My view: this is maybe the dumbest thing I have ever heard - I think these people need to go to Cal and take a language class where they learn about what the signifier and signified are).

(2) just for fun, assuming arguendo the puritan inquisition types get the name to be changed, what would you change it to?

Peetyjay's avatar

The University of California. Branding problem solved.

Scootie's avatar

The city is not going to like being called that.

GoldenSD81's avatar

I am in favor of whatever it takes for us to drop Berkeley and just be branded as The University of California.

Scootie's avatar

This would basically eliminate the academic cachet associated with the school for a long, long time. Like it or not, that belongs to Berkeley, exclusively.

Wiata78's avatar

My 6th grade teacher always called it "Berzerkly". Close enough, but conveys the different vibe?

O.Overall's avatar

I’m not sure about this though. I actually think academically, the brand “Berkeley” has more cachet. I care about the academic side more, so I would prefer to change “Cal” to “Berkeley” rather than the other way around if I really had to choose

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The "Berkeley" brand has cachet for political crackpots of all stripes that I wish it didn't have. I am fully on board with the idea of stripping "at Berkeley" from the campus name to simply The University of California.

I think it would also help with city politics as well, although it would probably take decades to see the change I want.

GoldenSD81's avatar

I think the people who care about academics and are smart enough to apply and be accepted to Cal will still be smart enough to know that the academics are still the same and that The University of California is Berkeley. This will be a minor issue for perhaps 4 years.

O.Overall's avatar

Oh man, disagree. The branding issue is a big one. I think it would be difficult to shift the academic branding away from “Berkeley”, given that it is a globally known brand used for over a century.

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And also re branding, the education sector really puts a primacy on tradition/history (hence all the universities that are built in faux medieval style), so you are kind of swimming uphill branding wise if you change the brand name

Cugel's avatar

This is just so bizarre - no idea until this week- wasn't this guy chosen because he was a philosopher? It's really weird this part wasn't known.

Peetyjay's avatar

Seriously though, I wonder when the last time someone associated this dude with the name of the city or university? Thanks to the reputation of the city and the University, the name "Berkeley" has transmuted itself entirely.

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veering slightly off topic: This discussion is helping me understand an analogous situation at NASA Ames Research Center, where I used to work until recent retirement.

The thing there is, people barely remember who Ames was, although it is possible to look it up: https://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/about/history/who_is_ames.html

Was he a good guy? Possibly, but who knows?

The current management has been talking about renaming Ames to NASA at Silicon Valley.

O.Overall's avatar

I agree. I went to Cal, lived in Berkeley for 6 years, and never heard of this random Irish dude a single time until this week. And the University and City have been around 150+ plus years!

Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

A vast majority of people had no idea who this guy was, and certainly not his checkered history, until this latest uproar. Now that it’s out though, and with the actions that Trinity University took, something is probably going to have to be done.

I am torn, and agree with both you and GoldenSD…as a history guy, I think you can acknowledge the past without necessary celebrating it, especially such that there’s no need to erase it. However, if a large swath is offended by references to this figure, then yeah, you should probably change it.

O.Overall's avatar

I think the word “Berkeley” is understood to refer to the City and University, given its long use in this capacity. The idea that the tie to the random Irish guy, and particularly his recently-discovered slave owning, means use of the term “Berkeley” is a celebration of racism is so incredibly attenuated as to be just completely bananas. The connotations people in the world have with the word “Berkeley” could not possibly be more in opposition to “celebration of racism.” It’s just so silly.

But would be interesting I suppose to see what the City changed names to if they do change names. Maybe like an Ohlone word or something?

FiatSlug's avatar

If the City were to change name (which I would support), I would be fine if it went back to how it was known before incorporation in 1871 - Ocean View. Berkeley is opposite the Golden Gate, so Ocean View actually fits.

Peetyjay's avatar

I agree with all of this and would add that when we start unearthing affiliations that are so buried in the past and have no link to modern usage, we absolutely undermine the much more legitimate and pressing instances where the hurt and pain is present and palpable.

O.Overall's avatar

Also, my thoughts on this are not yet fully formed, but there is just something odd about the whole enterprise of reconciling with history by erasing it. Aren’t you supposed to learn from history?

GoldenSD81's avatar

My opinion is, we should learn from it and make positive changes from what we learned. We shouldn’t keep something just for the sake of keeping. If a name, tradition, or policy is offensive to a segment of our multicultural society, we should change it. History and the decisions we made in the past shouldn’t be set in stone, especially when people use history as a weapon to suppress and erase others.

O.Overall's avatar

In the abstract those words make some sense, but I think they have zero applicability to this situation. No one is using the name “Berkeley” to oppress or suppress anyone; the notion that they are is frankly absurd. This is just a pointless manufacturing of outrage. I think running in the opposite direction of the concepts you cite are just basic common sense ones of prioritization - in particular we don’t need to waste a bunch of time and effort on renaming things to please a small hodgepodge of mostly online eternally offended folks, when there are actual, tangible problems in the world and in the city of Berkeley to grapple with. Can you imagine the number of public hearings and time a renaming would soak up??? For an issue no one heard of until this week?

FiatSlug's avatar

How big a segment gets to not only demand a change but force it?

goldenone's avatar

I would say that the Berkeley brand as in the name of the University is more prominent than the name of the individual. But still there might be a movement to change the name of the City and it's largest employer due to political correctness on the part of the City council.

O.Overall's avatar

I think you’d have to amend the charter and also needs state legislation bc it’s incorporated as Berkeley

goldenone's avatar

That's sort of comforting.