Welcome to the DBD, a W4C community space where we chat about pretty much anything. Where the hell do I come up with the topics? Only the devil knows. For example, jetsam is purposely thrown into the water to lighten a distressed boat’s load, while flotsam is not.
The Big 16 (0r 18). TV payout would be greater. If not, Pac-12 becomes a slightly fizzy version of the Mountain West, a conference which has gained on the Pac-12 in recent years.
Lived there for awhile, interesting transition from the Albany/North Berkeley eurocentric vibe, through El Cerrito to the mixed industrial vibe of Richmond. No complaints, I'd go back.
6267 sq. ft with ONLY 2 bd and 2 ba? Unless there are restrictive rules about demolishing an existing structure, this is obviously a total tear down and rebuild. 0.62 acres is more land than I have now.
If true, then the Pac-12 is dead man walking. At best, the Pac-12 (10?) drops to mid-major status.
Not sure I should care, though. The handwriting has been on the wall during Larry Scott's tenure as Pac-12 commissioner. The Pac-12 presidents and chancellors have been way too slow to react or take action.
Exactly...this is the direct result of Larry Scott's incompetence.
Like Judgment Day in Terminator, perhaps it was inevitable. But Scott was an unmitigated disaster and missed multiple opportunities to move the Conference forward. His whiff on luring Texas and Oklahoma was massive.
And it really does kill my interest in college football. I don't want a sport that's just NFL Junior. I can already watch the NFL. The traditions and regional rivalries are what set college sports apart. A coast-to-coast "conference" with no common regional ties at all blows that up completely.
So now there's scuttlebutt that the B1G isn't done and wants to expand further. The logical thing is for them to pull in other Pac-12 programs. USC and UCLA probably want to maintain their rivalries with Cal and Furd. Oregon and Washington are probably ready to come along too. We might see the old Pac-8 recreated as a division within the Big Ten . . . something that almost happened in the Pac when Larry Scott was trying to expand and get Texas/Oklahoma.
It would still be a ridiculous "conference," of course.
rumors that TAMU isn't delivering on the promised bag cash to their All Timer class. Result...no one is committing and several of their big names are already eyeing the transfer portal. Lulz
There have been different rumors of trouble in paradise (i.e. College Station TX) for a while. Some of these guys signing "NIL" deals that acted as loans, others restricting their ability to transfer, etc. The latest have come from multiple sources but are listed as "we're hearing this but we want to wait and see a bit." What is true is that TAMU's recruiting has fallen off a cliff this season and they are losing out on everybody. Texas took a longer approach to NIL. Rather than promise bags of cash to everyone, they set up structure. All Tight Ends get $10K a year from a website. All Oline get $50K if they participate in the charitable foundation and visit sick kids, etc. They are building the collective that ultimately will be paying out $100K per player (and smaller amounts to all Texas athletes). In addition, Texas businesses are signing guys left and right. Bijan Robinson is likely to pull $1M in endorsements plus he gets to drive a Lambo... the money is flowing big time but Texas is doing it properly (to the best of my knowledge). TAMU... yeah, no.
The collapse (disintegration?) of the conference will be a startling thing to behold. Seeing as how the BigTen is now 16 schools with USC and UCLA coming aboard, it may mean that the Big Ten has reached its likely maximum size. I could see the Big Ten taking Cal and Stanfurd in part because of the eyeballs that follow with the Bay Area market, but they would probably have to jettison two current members to do it - like Rutgers and Maryland, two very weak sisters in football.
Colorado and Utah will be consigned to the Mountain West; possibly Arizona, Wazzu, and Oregon State.
Well I've always wanted to see a game at the Big House. I guess this would give us a chance if we are allowed to tag along.
And now that there aren't any conferences, would there be a maximum limit to the number of teams in the conference? No reason it couldn't be 18. Would just take longer to play each team.
I can't recall any such instance. Every instance of a change in conference membership (in whatever conference) has been brought about by a school or schools leaving a conference or a school or schools joining a conference. I can't recall any instance in history in which a conference kicked out a member, although the dissolution of the PCC in 1959 came the closest to kicking out a member (Idaho).
In that instance, the California schools and UDub left the PCC because their bottom lines were hurt by playing at Idaho and getting very little or nothing in gate receipts as visitors. While the Oregon schools and Wazzu were willing to still play Idaho on a annual basis, they were left with a rump version of the PCC, Cal, Standf*rd, USC, UCLA, and Washington formed the Athletic Association of Western Universities (AAWU). Eventually, Wazzu, Oregon, and Oregon State joined those schools, forming the Pac-8. (1965 or 1966?).
Idaho was basically forced to go independent in 1959.
I saw a very interesting trade scenario post by ESPN where he either ends up at Suns, Miami or New Orleans. My vote is for Miami so the Dubs don't have to deal with him. Although KD and Paul trying one last time for a championship would be pretty entertaining, they basically give up everyone except Paul and Booker to get KD for what would look like a one year push for a chip
An 8-4 win for the visiting Dodgers over the Rockies avoided the sweep Wednesday night at Coors Field. A road trip that looked extremely promising after stops at Cincinnati and Atlanta all of a sudden took a wrong turn in Colorado, a daunting place for the Dodgers this season, but a win in the finale salvaged the series, and a 6-3 trip.
The Dodgers have played a few games at Coors Field in 2022. If you didn’t know any better, you’d assume these games were played at a pitcher’s paradise. One of the best offenses in baseball had topped out at five runs in the most hitter-friendly park in baseball. Before Wednesday, at least.
That getaway game at the end of a long road trip in which you often see the offense come out flat wasn’t a possibility for this Dodgers lineup, that came into this one trying not only to avoid a sweep but overcoming scoring only four runs in the first two games of the series at Coors Field.
The A’s dropped their third straight game this afternoon, losing 5-3 to the New York Yankees and getting swept along the way.
Oakland jumped out and took an early lead in the first, but again they couldn’t add on later in the game and that’s pretty crucial to beating these guys. A couple home runs by their big boppers doomed the A’s as New York smoked 2-run and 3-run shots to account for all their scoring.
Atlanta will have a formidable backcourt with Trae Young and Dejounte Murray. Gallinari and the '23, '25, and '27 first-round picks aren't a bad price to pay for a near-term boost to the team.
The next step in the evolution of Trae Young to be the next Steph would be for him to learn to move without the ball. Hawks' success next two years depend on Trae and Dejounte Murray both being able to be as good without the ball.
What's left unsaid, and this is important, is that when the runner *at* third (Park) is tagged as the 3rd out in the inning, whether or not the run scores is a matter of timing.
Consider:
(A) The run does *not* score if the runner *from* third (Suwinski) does not touch home plate *before* the runner *on* third (Park) is tagged. (this did not happen)
(B) The run does score if the runner *from* third (Suwinski) touches home plate *before* the runner *on* third (Park) is tagged. (this did happen)
(C) The run does *not* score if the runner *from* third (Suwinski) touches home plate if the defensive team (the Nats) successfully appeal that Suwinski left too early *before* leaving the field. (this did not happen)
Instance C is the operative principle in this case because, by definition, the half inning is over after the third out is registered *and* the defensive team leaves the field. That's because an appeal can be made if the defensive team is still on the field *even if* three outs have been recorded.
No appeal can be made if the defensive team has recorded three outs and left the field.
If the 3rd baseman had touched third *before* tagging the runner at 3rd, the run would not have counted. The order in which the outs occurred made a material difference in whether or not the runner from third scores.
But since the runner was tagged first and then 3rd base was tagged, the run scores unless the defensive team appeals that the runner on 3rd left too soon. And they can't have all gone to the dugout in order to make the appeal.
My guess is that the result would be the same. I think the pitcher has to have the ball and step off the mound to invoke the appeal of no tag. Maybe some of those on here who have umped know better.
If the third baseman had tagged third base first, that would have been the third out in the inning against the runner from third. The run does not score in that event.
The Nats could have appealed the runner on 3rd leaving early; it would have required the pitcher and *any* infielder to make the appeal at 3rd base. But it became a moot point when the entire Nats team went into the dugout after recording the third out of the inning.
Sonny Barger dies. My dad used to say there was an Angels bar in our neighborhood but I wasn't old enough to really know.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2022/06/30/sonny-barger-hells-angels-dead/
Part of a long list of "oh, I had no idea he was still alive"
Worldle
My Worldle today had the same country I had just a couple of days ago.
Same! I was so confused.
yeah, and I still didn't get it!
have also have Colombia 2x
Classof 87 and I are going to the Rose Garden on Saturday and thinking of getting lunch or dinner as well. Do any of you want to join?
Wilner reporting that USC and UCLA are "planning" to jump to the Big Ten, but not finalized yet
RIP Pac-12?
https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1542559346453729281
Yeah, I just read that. I wonder if any other Pac 12 schools go. You have to figure UW, Oregon, Stanford, Utah and hopefully Cal would be invited.
The Big 16 (0r 18). TV payout would be greater. If not, Pac-12 becomes a slightly fizzy version of the Mountain West, a conference which has gained on the Pac-12 in recent years.
I would assume Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools get rolled into the Big 12.
Oregon State and Washington State go to the MWC.
This assume Cal, Stanford, Oregon and UW to the Big 10.
Russia withdraws from Snake Island
https://twitter.com/AndriyYermak/status/1542427080255836160
El Cerrito
Lived there for awhile, interesting transition from the Albany/North Berkeley eurocentric vibe, through El Cerrito to the mixed industrial vibe of Richmond. No complaints, I'd go back.
Home of John and Tom Fogerty
John still out touring.
Tom and John played in different bands, Tom being the older brother. My step-father played in a summer band with Tom when they were teenagers.
The Little Hill
Do you have $90k, want to put down roots in the Hudson Valley, and hate building codes?
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/39-Overland-Dr-Plattekill-NY-12589/32859458_zpid
6267 sq. ft with ONLY 2 bd and 2 ba? Unless there are restrictive rules about demolishing an existing structure, this is obviously a total tear down and rebuild. 0.62 acres is more land than I have now.
It's equal parts fascinating and horrifying to look at that roof and wonder where the water goes when it rains
Trying to win a Darwin Award for the 'Gram. He lived.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CfZNJ9KPoWr/
That has to be an earthquake triggered landslide, no? By the looks of it, maybe somewhere in the Easter Sierra?
Great song choice.
No thank you.
Flotsam and jetsam
heh...I just saw the image. Wonder what that was a reply to.
With the current Pac chaos, will Cal be flotsam or jetsam?
poor unfortunate souls ...
Elsewhere in college
[WSOC] Former USC HC gets 6 months home confinement due to his participation in the Operation Varsity Blues scandal.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34169173/ex-usc-trojans-women-soccer-coach-ali-khosroshahin-sentenced-6-months-home-confinement-college-admissions-scandal
Good
Good news! Cal finally makes it to the Rose Bowl
Bad new, they lose to USC
https://twitter.com/lukezim/status/1542563396884758528?s=20&t=k4PmZSLN8DZ_271Zg4UrlA
Say what?!?!
HE SAID CAL MAKES IT TO THE ROSE BOWL BUT ONLY TO LOSE TO USC
👀👀👀
https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1542559346453729281
I guess this means I shouldn't buy airfare for Auburn in 2024 or Florida in the late 2020s.
Better buy some scarves and gloves and knit hats
I mean, If Cal were to go we'd have tons of future roadies to go to to check out all these new college towns
we can become the B1G's west coast Rutgers
UCLA takes a step back...those Westwood kids are gonna get routed playing in the snow in West Lafayette...good luck with all that.
Wilner reporting USC and Ucla to the B1G as early as 2024
https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1542559346453729281?s=20&t=k4PmZSLN8DZ_271Zg4UrlA
Lol apparently our "alliance" with the Big Ten included an agreement "not to poach each other's members"
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1542587659868061697
FOX is driving this bus...make no mistake.
Chaos is supposed to be our schtick. Welcome Georgia Tech, West Virginia, and Iowa State to the Pac-13
Jesus, well that sucks.
If true, then the Pac-12 is dead man walking. At best, the Pac-12 (10?) drops to mid-major status.
Not sure I should care, though. The handwriting has been on the wall during Larry Scott's tenure as Pac-12 commissioner. The Pac-12 presidents and chancellors have been way too slow to react or take action.
... and NCAA President Mark Emmert going full Libertarian at the end of his term.
Exactly...this is the direct result of Larry Scott's incompetence.
Like Judgment Day in Terminator, perhaps it was inevitable. But Scott was an unmitigated disaster and missed multiple opportunities to move the Conference forward. His whiff on luring Texas and Oklahoma was massive.
The Pac 10/12 had two incompetent commissioners back to back. Larry Scott started out with so much promise but he ultimately failed.
You could argue Scott started out with so much promise simply because Tom Hansen was such a disaster.
Oh that is true, 16 would have been a win.
He still probably would've blown it - not getting P12N on DirecTV was a death sentence for the Conference.
Take any Wilner "scoop" with a big grain of salt.
That said, if this happened I might just give up on college sports altogether.
Others now supporting Wilner's take:
https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1542578895655997441?s=21&t=qzZ-mPOSTnvbIYU0PrglhQ
https://twitter.com/nicoleauerbach/status/1542579469768089601?s=21&t=SQpO1dyRjbL8jKoeQvJEgw
Yup, looks like a done deal at this point.
And it really does kill my interest in college football. I don't want a sport that's just NFL Junior. I can already watch the NFL. The traditions and regional rivalries are what set college sports apart. A coast-to-coast "conference" with no common regional ties at all blows that up completely.
I was pretty much already there and this would be the death knell.
So now there's scuttlebutt that the B1G isn't done and wants to expand further. The logical thing is for them to pull in other Pac-12 programs. USC and UCLA probably want to maintain their rivalries with Cal and Furd. Oregon and Washington are probably ready to come along too. We might see the old Pac-8 recreated as a division within the Big Ten . . . something that almost happened in the Pac when Larry Scott was trying to expand and get Texas/Oklahoma.
It would still be a ridiculous "conference," of course.
That would bring back memories as I'm old enough to have grown up with the Pac-8. And it would be ridiculous.
here's your grain of salt
https://twitter.com/CFBHeather/status/1542566959677587459?s=20&t=NsuJ3waHb97pNxIPnKWR4g
The only thing that's odd to me is Ucla's weakness playing at the Rose Bowl with about a 1/3 of the stadium full at best - seams weird to me.
Ohio State and other Big 10 fans will fill it up for them. UCLA is basically going to become the LA Chargers of this new conference.
The Pac 12 is a mid-major according to Dinich.
no lies detected
more salt
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1542566771848318979?s=20&t=w1YeSR5AsVnwJ-RgLAX-_A
More salt: it's a dumb idea for everything except football
Conference would fold.
aTm says the quiet part out loud
https://twitter.com/caddy_1484/status/1542485479102324740
rumors that TAMU isn't delivering on the promised bag cash to their All Timer class. Result...no one is committing and several of their big names are already eyeing the transfer portal. Lulz
Are those salty Longhorn tears rumors? Any actual truth to those rumors.
Seems like Texas has increased their bag size with all the recruit success they have had lately.
There have been different rumors of trouble in paradise (i.e. College Station TX) for a while. Some of these guys signing "NIL" deals that acted as loans, others restricting their ability to transfer, etc. The latest have come from multiple sources but are listed as "we're hearing this but we want to wait and see a bit." What is true is that TAMU's recruiting has fallen off a cliff this season and they are losing out on everybody. Texas took a longer approach to NIL. Rather than promise bags of cash to everyone, they set up structure. All Tight Ends get $10K a year from a website. All Oline get $50K if they participate in the charitable foundation and visit sick kids, etc. They are building the collective that ultimately will be paying out $100K per player (and smaller amounts to all Texas athletes). In addition, Texas businesses are signing guys left and right. Bijan Robinson is likely to pull $1M in endorsements plus he gets to drive a Lambo... the money is flowing big time but Texas is doing it properly (to the best of my knowledge). TAMU... yeah, no.
Man, College football... what a thing.
College Football 2.0: Leadership void must be filled to address sport's uncertain, unregulated future
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-2-0-leadership-void-must-be-filled-to-address-sports-uncertain-unregulated-future/
[SJMerc] Kliavkoff will announce revamped Pac-12 football intra-conference scheduling format next month
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/06/28/pac-12-football-new-conference-schedule-models-under-evaluation-with-decision-expected-soon/
Kliavkoff busy re-arranging the deck chairs.
Is it the Cal band that's still playing though?
Always and forever!
Kliavkoff's job just got a lot harder, thanks to SC and UCLA
Yeah, the Pac-12 will not survive them leaving.
Agreed.
The collapse (disintegration?) of the conference will be a startling thing to behold. Seeing as how the BigTen is now 16 schools with USC and UCLA coming aboard, it may mean that the Big Ten has reached its likely maximum size. I could see the Big Ten taking Cal and Stanfurd in part because of the eyeballs that follow with the Bay Area market, but they would probably have to jettison two current members to do it - like Rutgers and Maryland, two very weak sisters in football.
Colorado and Utah will be consigned to the Mountain West; possibly Arizona, Wazzu, and Oregon State.
Well I've always wanted to see a game at the Big House. I guess this would give us a chance if we are allowed to tag along.
And now that there aren't any conferences, would there be a maximum limit to the number of teams in the conference? No reason it couldn't be 18. Would just take longer to play each team.
Has a major conference kicked out a member in good standing?
I can't recall any such instance. Every instance of a change in conference membership (in whatever conference) has been brought about by a school or schools leaving a conference or a school or schools joining a conference. I can't recall any instance in history in which a conference kicked out a member, although the dissolution of the PCC in 1959 came the closest to kicking out a member (Idaho).
In that instance, the California schools and UDub left the PCC because their bottom lines were hurt by playing at Idaho and getting very little or nothing in gate receipts as visitors. While the Oregon schools and Wazzu were willing to still play Idaho on a annual basis, they were left with a rump version of the PCC, Cal, Standf*rd, USC, UCLA, and Washington formed the Athletic Association of Western Universities (AAWU). Eventually, Wazzu, Oregon, and Oregon State joined those schools, forming the Pac-8. (1965 or 1966?).
Idaho was basically forced to go independent in 1959.
Tough to see them jettisoning the NY/NJ & DC tv markets…
Holy Cow. Hello Pac-12/Mountain West Parity.
Jim Shady (*cringe*)
https://www.tiktok.com/@graceharbaugh/video/7114665204767575342?_t=8TZpGxKjFWt&_r=1
OUR CRUMBLING DEMOCRACY
Supreme Court rules in favor of Dr. Doom 6-3. Citing historical precedent.
SCOTUS guts the EPA's power to regulate power generation. Sen. Manchin is probably in a very good mood.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-06-30/supreme-court-rules-for-coal-producing-states-limits-epas-power-to-fight-climate-change
What's the point of the EPA if it can't regulate? Stupid.
Trump is in Trouble and he Knows it
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/06/30/trump-is-in-trouble-and-he-knows-it-00043378
After refusing to voluntarily appear, Trump lawyer Pat Cipollone gets subpeened.
https://january6th.house.gov/news/press-releases/select-committee-subpoenas-pat-cipollone
[Ginni Thomas, last week]: I look forward to clearing up this big misunderstanding with J6 Committee, lol.
[Ginni Thomas, through lawyer this week]: No.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/28/ginni-thomas-house-testimony-00043025
After paying $110k in fines, Trump Organization complies with NY AG subpeen for documents
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/29/politics/trump-contempt-of-court-new-york/index.html
Welcome Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson
https://twitter.com/stevenmazie/status/1542176281017679873
PRO
[The Athletic] Kevin Durant has requested a trade
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542580983739858944
LOfuckingL
I know! LeGM's the Nets and then bails after his nutty buddy re-ups?!?
I saw a very interesting trade scenario post by ESPN where he either ends up at Suns, Miami or New Orleans. My vote is for Miami so the Dubs don't have to deal with him. Although KD and Paul trying one last time for a championship would be pretty entertaining, they basically give up everyone except Paul and Booker to get KD for what would look like a one year push for a chip
You see, this is why I can't stand pro sports and pro players and love college...shit never mind.
Giants carefully review the application of scoring runs, choose to go in another direction
https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2022/6/29/23188641/giants-tigers-recap-score-alex-wood-evan-longoria
Sometimes it seems like Evan Longoria is the only one who knows anything around these parts.
It sure felt that way when he blasted a first-inning home run to give the San Francisco Giants a 1-0 lead over the Detroit Tigers.
My my, what a reasonable thing to do! What a surefire way to secure runs! Why didn’t anyone else think of that?
I am so tired of Gabe Kapler pinch hitting for his best bats in the 6th inning because of the lefty/righty BS. He's a buffoon.
Dodgers offense shows up at Coors Field for a change to beat Rockies
https://www.truebluela.com/2022/6/29/23189135/los-angeles-dodgers-offense-colorado-rockies-game-recap
An 8-4 win for the visiting Dodgers over the Rockies avoided the sweep Wednesday night at Coors Field. A road trip that looked extremely promising after stops at Cincinnati and Atlanta all of a sudden took a wrong turn in Colorado, a daunting place for the Dodgers this season, but a win in the finale salvaged the series, and a 6-3 trip.
The Dodgers have played a few games at Coors Field in 2022. If you didn’t know any better, you’d assume these games were played at a pitcher’s paradise. One of the best offenses in baseball had topped out at five runs in the most hitter-friendly park in baseball. Before Wednesday, at least.
That getaway game at the end of a long road trip in which you often see the offense come out flat wasn’t a possibility for this Dodgers lineup, that came into this one trying not only to avoid a sweep but overcoming scoring only four runs in the first two games of the series at Coors Field.
A's show some signs of life despite being swept
https://www.athleticsnation.com/2022/6/29/23188299/game-77-as-drop-finale-swept-yankees-irvin
The A’s dropped their third straight game this afternoon, losing 5-3 to the New York Yankees and getting swept along the way.
Oakland jumped out and took an early lead in the first, but again they couldn’t add on later in the game and that’s pretty crucial to beating these guys. A couple home runs by their big boppers doomed the A’s as New York smoked 2-run and 3-run shots to account for all their scoring.
OBJ Commissions this painting about himself.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CfUmFNyPobV/
Peniston deflated by Johnson
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-10965379/British-wildcard-Ryan-Peniston-knocked-Wimbledon.html
You saw Sunday's Angels/Mariners brawl. But you've never seen a brawl this close.
https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1541515183360704512
[Wojo] Spurs Dejounte Murray to Hawks for a huge haul
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1542257154521964544
Atlanta will have a formidable backcourt with Trae Young and Dejounte Murray. Gallinari and the '23, '25, and '27 first-round picks aren't a bad price to pay for a near-term boost to the team.
The next step in the evolution of Trae Young to be the next Steph would be for him to learn to move without the ball. Hawks' success next two years depend on Trae and Dejounte Murray both being able to be as good without the ball.
More about the Pirates' weird one-out, runner-at-second-and-third play talked about yesterday.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/nationals-burned-by-quirky-fourth-out-rule-as-pirates-score-despite-lining-into-inning-ending-double-play/
I still wonder if the run would still have counted had the third baseman tagged third before tagging the runner.
What's left unsaid, and this is important, is that when the runner *at* third (Park) is tagged as the 3rd out in the inning, whether or not the run scores is a matter of timing.
Consider:
(A) The run does *not* score if the runner *from* third (Suwinski) does not touch home plate *before* the runner *on* third (Park) is tagged. (this did not happen)
(B) The run does score if the runner *from* third (Suwinski) touches home plate *before* the runner *on* third (Park) is tagged. (this did happen)
(C) The run does *not* score if the runner *from* third (Suwinski) touches home plate if the defensive team (the Nats) successfully appeal that Suwinski left too early *before* leaving the field. (this did not happen)
Instance C is the operative principle in this case because, by definition, the half inning is over after the third out is registered *and* the defensive team leaves the field. That's because an appeal can be made if the defensive team is still on the field *even if* three outs have been recorded.
No appeal can be made if the defensive team has recorded three outs and left the field.
If the 3rd baseman had touched third *before* tagging the runner at 3rd, the run would not have counted. The order in which the outs occurred made a material difference in whether or not the runner from third scores.
But since the runner was tagged first and then 3rd base was tagged, the run scores unless the defensive team appeals that the runner on 3rd left too soon. And they can't have all gone to the dugout in order to make the appeal.
My guess is that the result would be the same. I think the pitcher has to have the ball and step off the mound to invoke the appeal of no tag. Maybe some of those on here who have umped know better.
If the third baseman had tagged third base first, that would have been the third out in the inning against the runner from third. The run does not score in that event.
The Nats could have appealed the runner on 3rd leaving early; it would have required the pitcher and *any* infielder to make the appeal at 3rd base. But it became a moot point when the entire Nats team went into the dugout after recording the third out of the inning.
CAL
4-star Washington cornerback Jasiah Wagoner names final four of Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Cal.
One of these things is not like the other...
Sooners need a dry rub when smoked on low heat.
Oregon doesn't have an "A" in the state name.
Oklahoma doesn’t have an animal mascot.
only one school has hosted him on an OV
The question is whether Cal will be the last hat on the table.
Oklahoma has no beaches
Oregon is much farther north than the other 3 states.
Go Bears!!!