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Cugel's avatar

Landlord joy

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SGBear's avatar

I have one tenant who is a delight. I hope they never move out. I sent them cookies last year.

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atoms's avatar

I know Cugel has at least one as well! 😃

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Cugel's avatar

But I generally give wine.

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atoms's avatar

That reminds me! Do you have an updated inventory from your ongoing cellar sale? I'd be happy to buy some more bottles off you.

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Cugel's avatar

Sure, what do you want? If it's French or Italian, I got you covered. And Oregon & Cali Pinots

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heyalumnigo's avatar

I may contact you when No 1 comes in town. He may want to get a couple.

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atoms's avatar

French... CDR? I also like most Bordeaux varietals...

Italian... Barbera? Sangio? I also usually like the Chiantis you pick.

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Cugel's avatar

Mainly Chiantis & Brunellos French: mainly Bordeaux, but some others too.

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atoms's avatar

Sounds good to me, I'll swing by later this week and grab a few off you :)

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Cugel's avatar

So... I had a guy apply for a unit, and he seemed kinda pushy, wanted me to guarantee him he would get the unit if I pulled his credit report (one point is the end of the world), wanted free rent, was hot to trot, but then didn't follow up.

Anyway today he wanted me to send him a word doc of the lease, instead of the pdf I sent because he had some redlines - but I don't re-write the lease for anyone. I was overjoyed to reply today that I had leased that unit to another applicant.

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MoriBear's avatar

I have that with (potential) clients. if they are a pain during the proposal process, they'll be a pain during the project.

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atoms's avatar

Sounds like a chronic headache saved

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clapdoc's avatar

are you still a tenant of the cugz?

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atoms's avatar

👍🏽 indeed

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heyalumnigo's avatar

Did he say what he wanted to redline?

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clapdoc's avatar

He wanted cookies rather than wine for being the best tenant ever.

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Cugel's avatar

He did not

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FiatSlug's avatar

I'm guessing that for Cugel any redline is a red flag. In that context, doesn't matter.

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TheBuckeyeBear's avatar

A thread compiling Dr. Monica Gandhi's dangerous assertions https://twitter.com/KindAndUnblind/status/1470389931679883268?s=20

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Scootie's avatar

I just can't with her. And I find it very interesting, because Dr Bob Wachter, who is her superior at UCSF, is very measured and yet reassuring. She's just bananas.

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O.Overall's avatar

You would hope that scientists could rise above the lust for clicks, and yet here we are…

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sycasey's avatar

Yeah, and I'd also point out that there are some who are plainly looking for clicks in the other direction, trying to be as alarmist as possible (Eric Feigl-Ding comes to mind). It can be exhausting.

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sycasey's avatar

A guy like Wachter must find it helpful to have her around. There is probably value in hearing from people who are willing to stick their necks out, even if they are more often publicly wrong because of it.

You just can't fall into the trap of making her voice the only voice you hear.

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sycasey's avatar

I have found some of her commentary valuable, but you definitely have to check her predictions against other experts.

Though I guess that last part pretty much goes for everyone.

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

I hate that I feel like I need to start reading original research in real journals on health topics, rather than trusting that sound bites on the news aren't going to kill me.

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DC Trojan's avatar

listen, if not knowing your ass from a hole in a ground becomes a problem in this country, I'm in REAL trouble.

Of course I'm not giving stupidly bad advice on pandemic management, so I'm the only one at risk from my errors

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SGBear's avatar

Porch Pirates

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Terence's avatar

email pet peeves

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MoriBear's avatar

Actually just went to our company Slack and someone posted a screenshot of an email with an attachment and the body text was just "Please find the attached".

We get enough phishing emails with attachments that I'm not opening anything that isn't obviously from a person with a purpose related to me.

Take the time to add 12 words to make it obvious that this is legit.

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MoriBear's avatar

Oh, and about 5% of the time, I'm the person who forgets the attachment. I love that meme! Gonna steal it :-)

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Scootie's avatar

I absolutely hated Clippy, but that thing in Outlook where it says "did you forget an attachment?" when I have written an email saying I've attached something and I haven't is very useful. Thank you, Clippy's successor.

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MoriBear's avatar

there's a successor?

wouldn't help, since I don't use Windows (or Outlook), but that's a clever function

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Scootie's avatar

It's just a pop up message, rather than a damn sentient paperclip.

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O.Overall's avatar

The Cal SOS website has a Clicky like guy that is a bear. I like him!

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MoriBear's avatar

Man, you struck a nerve here with this topic! ;-)

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MoriBear's avatar

Subject lines that are not topic specific. I am in the building design world, in a niche field where we work on like 100x the projects as an engineer or architect does.

The number of emails I get that just have "walls?" as the subject line is maddening. I realize that you're only working on one project, but this doesn't help me. Or "what about the walls?"

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g.oso's avatar

Reply all. Fuck those people

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MoriBear's avatar

A way to avoid this is to send to yourself and bcc the recipients (if they don't need to correspond with each other, just you).

"Add xx to the contact list" that only the original sender needs to know.

"Great news!" x 23

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FiatSlug's avatar

I use this method when sending out Delegation of Authority emails for my boss.

I have never gotten a reply in return apart from Out of Office autoreplies.

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atoms's avatar

I have the opposite pet peeve. One of the attorneys we work with has an annoying habit of replying only to an individual in a group thread, so then we need to manually copy everyone back in so they can see his usually important input. Or sometimes you don't notice he has only replied to you and you assume everyone saw his email, and... nope.

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O.Overall's avatar

Yes, true. Clients do this a lot because they think it will save them money

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MoriBear's avatar

The answer is in between...if it's an email to 39 people, don't Reply All asking a Q specific to you. But if it's a 3-person thread (and everyone is needed), don't just Reply (and make the receiver add people back).

I've found that a lot interviewing candidates (we have a two-person interview "committee"). We keep having to add each other back to Reply (not all) responses that we get from applicants.

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O.Overall's avatar

The managing partner of my firm got upset about this a few years back so now when you email a broad d list you have to click through a bunch of pop ups designed to make you feel like a schmo for wasting everyone’s time

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paulie's avatar

our big boss got the same way, sent a hissy email about it and now we can only email the list "with approval from management" lol

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TheBuckeyeBear's avatar

The great irony of reply all problems with:

1) my graduate department (bioinformatics...you know, people who SHOULD know how the internet works)

2) one of my workplace email lists (all the communicators across my organization)

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Wiata78's avatar

I knew someone who didn't think to include the email trail when replying, so her emails would simply say "Yes" or "No" with no context. However, I think she's retired now.

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MoriBear's avatar

yeah, that's lame, but I also (just this morning even) had the opposite, where a thread includes like 20 replies and *everything* is there. So it takes forever to find the relevant text.

I try to blockquote the relevant text in my reply, and then lop off all the stuff that isn't relevant anymore.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Wow, that is strange.

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Cugel's avatar

Whoa, that's hella weird.

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paulie's avatar

"No"

that's scary if it was coming from a boss lol

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Wiata78's avatar

This actually happened.

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clapdoc's avatar

FET

A few years back, we received a firm-wide e-mail from the top partner at our firm that started with. "It has come to my attention..."

ok... not good...

"...that the quality of the pizza we have been ordering has dropped as of late. I propose we start a weekly tasting of all the pizza places around [city our firm is located] and vote on the best pizza."

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FiatSlug's avatar

Yes, the email didn't start well, but it sure as hell ended well.

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heyalumnigo's avatar

We all want to know, what pizza place won? Or will that give away [firm location]?

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clapdoc's avatar

I frankly do not recall which place won.

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TheBuckeyeBear's avatar

Is it Pizza by Alfredo, or is it Alfredo's Pizza???

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Forwarding an email without adding any information to it. Not even an FYI.

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FiatSlug's avatar

I get that from a certain older relative.

I have to stifle myself from replying all with "...and you wanted say...?"

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CruzinBears's avatar

I hate that I want to end every email with "Best" or "Best Regards", stupid PR training

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FiatSlug's avatar

My signature in Outlook begins with "Regards,", then three returns, my name title, etc.

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atoms's avatar

Pretty much the same for me, but I add the Regards manually.

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heyalumnigo's avatar

I just use Thanks. Maybe not the most professional.

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MoriBear's avatar

I'm the same. for clients I know well, I'll often change it to Cheers

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Scootie's avatar

I'm a cheers-er.

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atoms's avatar

I'll mix in an occasional cheers for a more casual-toned email exchange.

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O.Overall's avatar

In a similar vein if I am emailing a group of men I like referring to them as “Gents”. These are the small pleasures that my life affords me

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Erik Johannessen's avatar

"Gents" is my go-to when emailing groups of fraternity alumni.

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MoriBear's avatar

Gents always sounds like the men's room to me

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Terence's avatar

He already wrote "fraternity alumni"

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

I use a lot of 'let me know if you have any questions'

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FiatSlug's avatar

My penultimate sentence before closing is "Contact me with questions."

Most of my emails are about imparting information gained through research or institutional knowledge I have simply stored in my brain.

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OskiOfTarth's avatar

No one reads past the 2nd line.

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O.Overall's avatar

Replying to an email with a subject line about matter X only to discuss unrelated matter Y in the body.

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MoriBear's avatar

thank you!

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

*ears start steaming* our director does this all the time. random important topics in something unrelated and that half the people in the cc list don't even know what it is.

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Cugel's avatar

^^this^^

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Cugel's avatar

Well, like the picture, forgetting attachments.

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goldenone's avatar

Gmail putting every back and forth email into a conversation where it gets hard to tell who sent what to whom.

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MoriBear's avatar

I have to use gmail for some school stuff and I hate it! I just set it to forward to my "regular" email address and use that app.

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

I think you can make it stop doing that. Most of my gmail is notices and spam.

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DC Trojan's avatar

I have to admit, at this point 95% of my gmail use is reading broadcast information - I do very little back and forth, maybe with the missus, that's about it.

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O.Overall's avatar

Yeah me too, tho primarily because it is blocked on my work computer

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

and text and Slack and those types of communications seem to be better for the back and forth.

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MoriBear's avatar

Two reasons that I sometimes avoid text are:

1. Can edit (or delete) after the fact (like in Slack)

2. Can't mark Unread (like in email or Slack)

If I get a text and am not ready to respond, I have to leave it unread, otherwise it'll not have a notification anymore and it'll be gone forever.

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paulie's avatar

texting is the answer, for me at least...nobody at work uses collaborative systems like Slack or Teams, even though they have tried to set up Teams

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DC Trojan's avatar

I have to use Teams as provided by my customers. I don't care for it. They get super pissed if they think we're texting on personal phones.

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AndyPanda's avatar

Teams was thrust upon us, and I do like not having to put everything down in an email between 2 or 3 of us. But it is NOT a good platform for broadcasting the official or complete announcement/instructions to something. It has gotten out of control fast, which is especially not good given it is pretty clunky, seems prone to network issues, and is not (IMO) one of the more usable tools.

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

I do not care for teams, either. The meetings features are fine, but we don't use any thing else (until we are forced).

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DC Trojan's avatar

I think it has too many functions included - chat! meetings! files! Wiki! - without being that great at any one of them. Plus if you're using all of those features, it becomes a hassle that you can only have 1 teams window open period. I do think it's kind of funny that the files feature is a slightly less complicated front end for sharepoint.

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MoriBear's avatar

that's my main beef. we have O365 (so free Teams), but decided to pay for Slack. DM and topic channels in separate windows? No thanks...

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AndyPanda's avatar

I open multiple windows. Keep one for chat because we use that for a lot of person to person communications, another for a channel we use for system status, and often a 3rd for an actual "team" group page. Of course, I never have the one front that gets the next msg, so I don't usually see something until an email alert pops in.

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DC Trojan's avatar

the customer configured version I'm using doesn't permit multiple windows to be open... and it's completely locked down.

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

i must admit that i really like Slack when it is used well. our company encourages almost everything to be in a public channel so anyone can go back and catch up on something easily.

on the other hand Slack gets cluttered w/ useful and non-useful stuff and the search is mediocre

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paulie's avatar

Slack is pretty good, but no way my stodgy organization uses it ever

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

responding inline.

i would rather you type out what is important rather respond to every question or comment as if it was a script of a play.

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

I tend to copy the questions/things I am responding to into the body of my email rather than replying inline. If you must do inline, for all that is holy USE A COLOR.

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MoriBear's avatar

I use inline a lot when responding to a bullet list.

But I start a new line below each one, put my name/initials at the beginning, and bold it (prob not color, but sometimes...I find that colors can go odd with email).

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DC Trojan's avatar

those are all good ways to handle it. Color can be a real pain in the ass (also a good way to find out who on the distribution is color blind)

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Scootie's avatar

I respond inline if you send me a million questions. Otherwise, no.

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MoriBear's avatar

a shorter version of what I just wrote ;-)

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FiatSlug's avatar

This is what I will do. Or if I find that my responses are specific to certain conditions and I want to make sure that my answer is matched up to the appropriate question.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Same.

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DC Trojan's avatar

absolutely dreadful - especially when people start using different colors of text to differentiate their comments. If there's a need to do something collaborative like that, and your organization has something like Teams or google docs or whatever, then put the text there and use the email to alert people that they need to go edit.

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paulie's avatar

my approximately 100 year old boss does the inline-different-color-response thing all the time and it drives me so insane

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MoriBear's avatar

it only works for two people and one (maybe two) rounds. After that, gotta past the relevant text up top and start again.

Or...use the "if this has lasted two or three rounds, talk to the person" rule

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Terence's avatar

DBD Not Official Financial Advice

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goldenone's avatar

S&P 500 and Nasdaq are declining. If you dollar cost average, you'll pick up more shares, which is the silver lining.

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

these are also the scenarios where the robo-advisors can do well. some stocks are up, others are down. the robos can sell the declining stocks for a loss and replace with equivalents and lower overall capital gains.

i have the most familiarity w/ Wealthfront. above certain investment thresholds, they effectively create an SP 500 lookalike fund for you made of a couple hundred individual stocks.

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Terence's avatar

DBD Test Kitchen

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Terence's avatar

DBD AV Club

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MoriBear's avatar

A few more eps into S2 of South Side. Not feeling it. They seem to be doing a bit what Mythic Quest did in S2, which is side stories. But I find it less interesting with SS.

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MoriBear's avatar

that was funny! :-)

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Taylor Sheridan’s Mayor of Kingstown on Paramount+ is damn good television...

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Terence's avatar

Our Crumbling Democracy

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SGBear's avatar

The deeper one dives into Mark Meadows, the more one realizes that he may be the biggest traitor in US history.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/mark-meadows-election-fraud-liaison/index.html

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DC Trojan's avatar

he's going to end up taking the fall because he was the coordinator / the one dumb enough to put things in writing. Of course it won't be much of a fall to take, because apparently we don't care enough to enforce laws around the integrity of the republic.

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paulie's avatar

I agree 100% with this take, and it's why I'm prepping the offspring to be stateless in their future--be able to go where they need to, not tied to any particular country

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Scootie's avatar

Being stateless is almost impossible to achieve (and I think literally impossible if you start out American).

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Terence's avatar

Starting out american is super tough (because there's a ten year gap for continuing to collect taxes) - but I have friends parents who have become Maltese or Canary Islanders or something.

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DC Trojan's avatar

I think, what with the new crime bill in the UK, it is theoretically possible - on paper - that I could get both citizenships revoked at the same time. I assume that's a million-to-one shot though.

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AndyPanda's avatar

It can also be sub-optimal in that you could wind out with no support when its really, really needed. I get what you are trying to do, but its a dangerous thing to do in a world where lots of places are dangerous places to be.

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paulie's avatar

I hear ya--it's more of a dream than anything. I'm just trying to figure out how to plan for the future in a non-democratic country.

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clapdoc's avatar

1. Be white.

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Cugel's avatar

Check

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SGBear's avatar

GA State Senate President Pro Tem has filed legislation to ban all voter drop boxes in Georgia.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-gop-senator-running-for-lt-governor-wants-to-ban-election-drop-boxes/YZ4SH27BNZFPVFDCNYOMSSKM7I/

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SGBear's avatar

Officials arrest 3 people from a Florida town for voter fraud because they voted twice. I'll give you three chances to guess who they voted for President.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/12/13/3-residents-of-the-villages-arrested-for-casting-multiple-votes-in-2020-election/

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

The link gives it away. The Villages is a as close to a Trump retirement playground as anywhere. Drugs, prostitution, sex parties, etc.

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Terence's avatar

Today in Omicron

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Justbear's avatar

Indoor mask mandate back again

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Hospitals should make a priority care list.

1. People vaccinated and children under 17 not vaccinated

2. Elective surgery

3. Non vaccinated people are last and only given care if beds are available.

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OskiOfTarth's avatar

9/11: 3,000 Americans killed, the conservatives happily signed away their right to privacy, certain freedoms. Covid: 800,000 Americans dead & counting. Conservatives: you can't tell me what to do. I have no sympathy. It's a plague. If you don't get the shot, you are moved down the list. Make it public knowledge, shout it far & wide. Everyone one will still have a choice.

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clapdoc's avatar

That's because 9/11 the perceived target of the removal of freedoms was brown people., whereas for Covid the perceived target of the removal of freedoms was white people.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I agree with all of this and good point about 9/11.

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sycasey's avatar

I don't think I can agree with denying care to people because of poor personal choices. Where do you take that, in the end? Deprioritizing smokers? The obese?

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paulie's avatar

people are already being denied care because of *others'* poor personal choices not to get vaccinated...

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atoms's avatar

I have sympathy with this view, but I think it's not exactly analogous; refusing to get vaccinated isn't just a personal choice, it's also a social one. You're endangering others as well as yourself.

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DC Trojan's avatar

you might not think it's exactly analogous, but I invite you to revisit that while pretending that you're the kind of rapacious sociopath who manages pricing and risk for both private health insurance companies and hospitals.

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Scootie's avatar

I think it would be really interesting to spend like a month as that kind of rapacious sociopath. I struggle to imagine the thought processes, I would appreciate the insight.

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atoms's avatar

No, thank you! I mean, I believe in universal health care too, if we're getting philosophical here.

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sycasey's avatar

That's a reason to deny job opportunities, attendance at events, etc. But medical care once you are sick? There's a different moral dimension there.

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atoms's avatar

Sure, it's a good question. I'm just saying it's fuzzier than you were making it out to be. And like, it's a free shot available to everyone that only takes a few minutes of your time. That's not the same as addiction (smoking) or years of poor lifestyle or other physiological issues (obesity). I don't think people should be denied medical care, but I can at least understand the argument that if the pandemic stretches hospital resources to the breaking point, it's fair to not penalize the people who did what was asked of them.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I wouldn’t implement something like this during “normal” times when beds and care are abundantly available, however, when healthcare systems are at capacity and you have to ration care they should implement a system.

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sycasey's avatar

Even in that situation putting them behind elective procedures seems unnecessarily cruel.

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paulie's avatar

I wish this could be implemented, but money talks in healthcare

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sycasey's avatar

I have a lot of doubts that this will actually do any good. The core problem is that the regions that least need such a mandate (blue cities with high vaccination rates) are going to be the most likely to follow it. The regions that most need additional protections (rural red areas with low vax rates) won't enforce it.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Yep, I agree. I am tired of changing my lifestyle for people that have decided to not get vaccinated and won’t wear a mask.

Like Drago said in Rocky 4: “if he dies, he dies.”

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Do you remember when Barry Tompkins used to do Cal games with Dan Belluomini during the Braun years? Still, he's better known for calling the Balboa/Drago fight in Russia....

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/9dbf972f-a285-489c-9aaa-def113ae1133

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dcblue's avatar

I took Sociology of Sport from Harry Edwards and Barry Tompkins came and talked one day about sports and the media.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Did you get Barry to say "He's cut, the Russian is cut. And it's a bad cut" ?

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CruzinBears's avatar

It's been that way in LA since July

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Santa Barbara too

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O.Overall's avatar

So many companies pegged January as a return to office. Wonder how that plays out in reality. Open space particularly tough

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Scootie's avatar

The large national financial institution that employees me is full steam ahead for January 10th. No mask mandates, no capacity limits, no vaccine mandate (except in those localities where laws demand them). Can't wait! 🖕

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clapdoc's avatar

That's coincidentally the start date of the first full jury trial that I will have since Covid began.

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

open space is easy, everyone wears a mask all the time, and no in person meetings/cube chats. We've been having our weekly group meeting over teams for a year and a half, even though we all site no more than 15 feet apart.

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DC Trojan's avatar

the federal agency I support is going to slow their roll for the planned January return. Even before Omicron, I'd assumed that winter / school holiday spikes might put a crimp on those plans.

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

i heard that some got hurt at home, sued for workers comp because they were "forced to work from home" and WON.

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goldenone's avatar

I just read that Pfizer (2 shots) is only 36% effective against Omicron. Gotta get that 3rd booster folks. (Getting mine today, finally)

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

i bet this is subject to some accounting issues ..

- the 2 shot effectiveness is being measured several months after

- the 3 shot effectiveness is being measured right after getting boosted

most likely not matter how many boosters you have, there is some decay in effectiveness over time.

that being said, you should get your booster as it will give you more protection.

i am sure we will be getting 4th, 5th, 6th boosters as coronavirus times drag on indefinitely ...

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

it will be incorporated into the annual flu shot that is available every year.

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atoms's avatar

I like this idea

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AndyPanda's avatar

It would be very convenient. Which is probably why it will take years to achieve.

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SGBear's avatar

36 NFL players tested positive for La Rona yesterday. One staffer tested positive, which was omicron variant

https://sports.yahoo.com/los-angeles-chargers-lineman-tackle-rashawn-slater-reserve-covid19-coronaviurs-list-chiefs-223723874.html

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Scootie's avatar

Schefty says more than 25 more expected today, and the Rams have had to close their facility and enter the intensive protocol. I might be kind of pissed if I were the Cardinals.

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clapdoc's avatar

The NFL in general has been rather flippant towards Covid, so no one should be pointing fingers.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Wonder if Ashtyn Davis, Cameron Jordan, Stephen Anderson, Marvin Jones, Jaylinn Hawkins, Patrick Mekari, Jake Curran & Cam Bynum were among them? That would be interesting, and another indicator of the City of Berkeley’s reach on all things pandemic... ;-)

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Justbear's avatar

Sad that's how few we have in the NFL now

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goldenone's avatar

Uh oh

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

Warriors SEGABABA

we (whole family) are going tonight. ticket prices only shot up after the game vs the Pacers ended last night.

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MoriBear's avatar

nice SEGABABA!

I was thinking of you as Steph was missing shots that last few games. lucky you!

maybe you can sell yours and go to a bar and watch ;-)

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SGBear's avatar

Take care of y'all bodies and y'all chicken

https://twitter.com/manscaped/status/1469389025572233220

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

sweet jeezus. he is darn funny, even with the sound off.

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are you new to the internet?

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You know things are bad under Urban Meyer when the NFL allows something that makes them look bad be written on its own website

https://www.nfl.com/news/tension-boiling-over-between-coach-urban-meyer-jaguars-players-staff

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The NCAA head coach who has won a National Championship and a Super Bowl is Jimmy Johnson. He won a National Championship with the U in '87 and two Super Bowls (XXVII, and XXVIII) with the Cowboys.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Barry Switzer won both.

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Justbear's avatar

What about Pete Carroll?

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Erik Johannessen's avatar

Doesn't Pete Carroll count as well?

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FiatSlug's avatar

Pete Carroll is one of those rare coaches who seems to have learned quite a bit from his failures, paving the way to success later in his career.

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FiatSlug's avatar

In reverse.

Cheaty Petey's first HC position was with the New York Jets ('94). He then was a DC with the 49ers ('95-'96) and then HC with the New England Patriots ('97-'99). His record in the NFL at that point was 2 games over .500 (33-31, .516).

He then found success with USC, winning 8 straight Pac-10 championships and two National Championships ('03 and '04), with a record of 97-19, .836.

Subsequent to the end of his college coaching career, Carroll was hired by Seattle where he has been the head coach for 12 seasons (incl. 2021). He has won 1 Super Bowl (XLVIII) and lost another (XLIX). The Seahawks have made the playoffs in 9 of the 11 complete seasons so far.

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I might argue he was never really bad prior to USC. The Jets are a tire fire of a franchise that you can't blame Carroll for failing to fix in one season. The 49ers had great defenses when he was DC. With New England he wasn't amazing but he made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. He was just in a tough spot being compared to Parcells before him and Belichick after him.

Obviously he went to another level after that, but he wasn't a bad coach.

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FiatSlug's avatar

I never said that Pete Carroll was a bad coach. He wasn't elite status as an HC at either the pro or college level until he was at USC. And he had at least one shot that was more than one season (New England).

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I agree with this take. Pete Carroll was a great DC with the Niners and as you mentioned, successful with the Pats, they just didn’t have patience.

The Jets are basically Cal of the NFL. Poor institutional support, poor coaching hires and bad luck.

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Cugel's avatar

Hey! We're not THAT bad, you take that back!

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sycasey's avatar

We may actually be worse. The Jets won a Super Bowl more recently than Cal made a Rose Bowl.

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paulie's avatar

thats.... :(

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g.oso's avatar

truth hurts huh

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Blue and gold (yellow) make green.

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Justbear's avatar

He would have had two NCAA championships (2004 vacated) and two Superbowl wins (just hand the ball to Marshawn Lynch)

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The NFL has a bad history with national championship college coaches who try to make the transition to the NFL. Off the top of my head Steve Spurrier is the example that most readily comes to mind. Spurrier had been a head coach at Duke ('87-'89) and Florida ('90-'01), playing for a National Championship in '95 and winning one in '96.

Spurrier spent 2 seasons with the WFT before giving up the idea that he could translate NCAA success into NFL success. He returned to college ball and coached 11 more years at South Carolina.

Let's also not forget Nick Saban. Saban had 2 years with the Miami Dolphins as their HC before bailing and returning to the college ranks at Alabama. Saban had won a National Championship at LSU in the 2004 Sugar Bowl (ending the 2003 season). He's won 6 other National Championships at Alabama ('09, '11, '12, '15, '17, and '20). His '21 Alabama team is in the playoffs...again.

Prior to the Dolphins stint, Saban had NFL experience with the Houston Oilers ('88-'89 as their DC) and Cleveland Browns ('91-'94 as their DC)

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WilderThanGene's avatar

Signs point to Saban being a very good NFL coach (of the Bill Belichick mold) if he wanted to stay

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But he didn't and his NFL record was middling at best.

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No he didnt stay.. I wasnt arguing re: the "NFL's history with the national championship coaches" (if that was a thing to categorize into a "history") but your context seemed to imply that they cant succeed and that Saban bailed because he couldnt succeed. "Middling" is also way off base. The Dolphins were in the dumps and Saban immediately turned around their trajectory, before his wife decided he needs to go back to college where their hearts are. Putting that in the same context as Spurrier is misleading. I'm not sure there really is a significant enough "history" of national championship coaches in the NFL for it to even be a thing... But if you want it to be a thing: 6 coaches come to my mind, and 3 (50%) of them won Superbowls in relatively short order. That's a pretty good history, come to think of it. I suspect you have some recency bias with Urban Meyer, even though Spurrier and Saban were your examples.

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<<ColbertEatingPopcorn.gif>>

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Diamond Dallas Page recently got married. His wife's name is now Payge Page. Not quite as good as Lauren Lauren, but still...

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/12/ddp-gets-married/

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paulie's avatar

Payge Page is apparently a "retired adventure athlete"...huh?

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SGBear's avatar

Cris Collinsworth claims that up is down while defending Aaron Rodgers.

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1470218361401491457

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FiatSlug's avatar

Collinsworth is a buffoon.

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

frustrating, as he used to be good as an analyst, but has gotten to far afield in recent years.

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sycasey's avatar

Feels like his actual gameplay analysis is still good, but he now also thinks he knows the players as people when he really doesn't.

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clapdoc's avatar

Do the players know themselves as people?

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GoldenSD81's avatar

IMO, he has surpassed Joe Buck for commentator buffoonery.

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sycasey's avatar

Buck has gone the opposite way IMO. Not really a buffoon anymore. If anything, he's in on his own joke now.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I agree. Buck has gotten better. I thought he was too uptight for the NFL, perhaps it was due to his coming up as a MLB announcer.

Buck has gotten much better the last 2-4 years.

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paulie's avatar

hey I agree, I really like Joe Buck on baseball but he's way too grating when calling football still

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Cugel's avatar

He was also hella funny as a guest on the Payton & Eli show

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clapdoc's avatar

That Denver vs. Seattle Super Bowl burn was hilarious.

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sycasey's avatar

That's it, somewhere along the way he found a sense of humor. It helped his broadcasting immensely.

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paulie's avatar

MNF ended for me when Collinsworth took over

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Cugel's avatar

SNF? Current MNF crew is perfectly cromulent.

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paulie's avatar

I don't even count the current MNF lol. But I'm really old too.

You're right, I speficially was referring to the Al Michaels + [analyst] version, which I guess is SNF now.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

It is kind of weird how SNF has overtaken MNF in importance.

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sycasey's avatar

Seems like that's a conscious league decision, in putting SNF on a broadcast network and MNF on cable. They basically swapped it from the old arrangement.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Yeah, you’re right and I wonder why they made that decision. The obvious answer is money but what changed financially?

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sycasey hints at why MNF has been overtaken by SNF. MNF has been in ratings decline for more than a decade in part because the kickoff times were really hard on East Coast viewers. 9 PM kickoffs with games lasting well past midnight were killing the MNF audience in the Eastern Time Zone.

One attempt to adjust to this was to have two games scheduled for Monday night, with an earlier game (intended for audiences in the Eastern and Central Time Zones) and a later game (intended for audiences in the Pacific and Mountain Time Zones). Ultimately that experiment ended when ratings for both games continued to show decline.

At the same time, Sunday Night Football had already established itself as a kind of capstone to the Sunday NFL schedule: it featured a game that had no other TV competition and typically was played early enough in the evening for most viewers to see at least the first half with an 8:20 PM ET kickoff. In later time zones, viewers could see even more of the game.

The first Sunday Night Football game was broadcast by ESPN in 1987 and for a short while at least, ESPN held the franchise. ESPN also helped transform the Sunday NFL experience from a good chunk of the day to almost the whole day by offering a morning show prior to the first Sunday game to the final seconds of an actual game in the evening.

ESPN College Gameday and the lengthy college football TV slate was really a precursor to the SNF experience.

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sycasey's avatar

I did always think the 9 PM start time for east coast games was nuts.

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One reason I can think of is that they wanted to start flexing the schedule to put the marquee late season matchups there. Logistically it's much easier to flex Sunday day games to Sunday night than out to Monday.

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Cugel's avatar

Logical.

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Terence's avatar

Other College

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SGBear's avatar

Former Indiana pre-season hype-train Michael Penix (giggle) Jr transfers to UW Huskies

https://twitter.com/allasley/status/1470834145156816896?s=21

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Wow, I didn’t see him going to UW.

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g.oso's avatar

really? He played for DeBoer when he was OC at Indiana

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I forgot about that connection. Thanks for reminding me.

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Newellbany's avatar

shit, you got me.

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DC Trojan's avatar

I saw this and thought "they seemed pretty excited about the new coach, what's wrong now" and then realized that was the wrong Notre Dame

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Nike with NIL support for Ducks football team

https://twitter.com/boardroom/status/1470520421653139463

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Wazzu's Max Borghi declares for NFL draft

https://twitter.com/max_borghi/status/1470570774088015877?s=21

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paulie's avatar

he was really fun to watch play, good luck to him

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

He's got New England Patriots written all over him

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I think Shanahan and the Niners draft him.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Following in Ronnie ‘Sunshine’ Bass’ footsteps & playing for the ‘Gamecocks....

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Tangtpt's avatar

Shocking!

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AndyPanda's avatar

Garbers has announced he's heading to the NFL draft.

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sycasey's avatar

Good luck with that.

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goldenone's avatar

Just saw that. Late round pick?

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Scootie's avatar

Insurance salesman.

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DC Trojan's avatar

maybe he could call Matt Leinart and dabble in commercial real estate in between being wooden on Fox

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O.Overall's avatar

Maybe Canada for him? Love Chase, but NFL seems a skooch unrealistic. Then again you never know

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I totally agree with you, but Wilcox just turned down $4M a year to coach at one of the best programs west of the Mississippi, which also happens to be his alma mater, in order to stay at a school that can't seem to go a season without nearly forfeiting games....I've backed off saying what is and isn't unrealistic, at least in terms of Cal football ;-)

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g.oso's avatar

Damonic Williams decommits and flips to Dykes and TCU

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atoms's avatar

LOL 😂 oh the fickle heart of an 18 year old

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atoms's avatar

Damn you Sonny!!!

Wait, Sonny Dykes is stealing defensive recruits from Justin Wilcox?? WTF

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AndyPanda's avatar

Sonny HAS defensive recruits?

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atoms's avatar

*Sonny Dykes*

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GoldenSD81's avatar

That’s a big loss. Salt in the recruiting wound losing him to Dykes and TCU.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Less than ideal…tho after having visited TCU in Sept., there’s about 8000 co-Ed reasons why I could see this happening, plus 1 big one called the holy trinity dinner at Woodshed Smokehouse & BBQ

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heyalumnigo's avatar

crop top, mini skirts, and boots.

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g.oso's avatar

that was a sight to behold

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SGBear's avatar

For those not in the know, we had our tailgate next to the TCU Song Girls' tent. Not that I noticed.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Wilcox gotta flip some guys too

https://youtu.be/Rntm3yDAQuM

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docsuess84's avatar

Random question, but is anyone aware of any alumni presence in Montana? I've met tons of California ex pats here so I figured there has to be a few, but there's nothing official on the alumni association website and they never responded to my question.

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Newellbany's avatar

I suppose Travis DeCuire doesn't count

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atoms's avatar

he does not

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SGBear's avatar

CAA will never ever give out personal data unless you're an official chapter. My recommendation is to start up an unofficial site on Facebook page. That's how I started the NC chapter.

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docsuess84's avatar

I actually did. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t reinventing the wheel.

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goldenone's avatar

Go Bears!!!

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Not surprised at all.

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g.oso's avatar

yep, he was simply passed by the younger guys.

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Justbear's avatar

Next year's LB should be pretty solid.

OLB - Oladejo and Deng, ILB - Rutchena and Paster

ILB is a little thin though.

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SGBear's avatar

I disagree. I think ILB room is deep with experience. ILBs should be Rutchena, Iosefa, Paster, Oladejo, Anzoulatos, Puskas, Smith, So'oto.

OLB will be thinner that I think our so-called DEs are actually the jumbo-strong side OLB. Croteauj/Wilkins as SOLB, Patu/Calhoun as Rush OLB. Curley Young left the program. Elarms-Orr recovering from injury. Ieremia is a project. Which leaves Lynch and Williams for depth.

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Justbear's avatar

Excited for KEO and Hisatake to come back from injury

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Justbear's avatar

Oh, I meant to write we are thin at OLB. Sorry. And I meant to write Patu not Oladejo at OLB

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atoms's avatar

...do we know if Deng is coming back?

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WilderThanGene's avatar

Also Bimage?

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Also, he isn’t a Pac 12 starting caliber LB. His ceiling in P5 is special teams and backup player. He should drop down to a G5 school.

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Justbear's avatar

He is not even backup caliber

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SGBear's avatar

Fourth-year academic, but wasn't listed in the seniors list. However, his transfer portal status seemed inevitable since he was passed by 3 others on the depth chart.

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goldenone's avatar

Signing day is coming up. Let's get some more recruits to flip!

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SGBear's avatar

Prediction: it won't be a good signing day for Cal, but we'll make up for it from the portal later.

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O.Overall's avatar

I like the sci-fi undertones of the term “the portal”

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AndyPanda's avatar

Could be tricky getting confirmation of academic standing for a Klingon you plan to have play LB.

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SGBear's avatar

Okay - the Damonic Williams news was the bad news I was expected. I expect some good news tomorrow.

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O.Overall's avatar

The immutable laws of the portal shall make it so

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g.oso's avatar

this

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I agree that it won’t be good for Cal and we will have to make up for it with the portal.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

After last season’s recruits, Wilcox can survive a solid but unspectacular class provided it’s a one-off & that he really starts working the portal.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

That assumes most of last seasons recruits:

1. Stay healthy

2. Reach their potential

3. Keep their grades up

4. Don’t transfer

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

That's the deal with all recruiting classes, whether they are solid or not...last year's class tho showed promise.

The bigger issue is that now more than ever, they gotta hit that portal, hard. It's become nearly as important as recruiting HS.

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Erik Johannessen's avatar

It really is becoming like the pros, where you may lean on either the Draft or Free Agency to acquire talent, but successful teams are leveraging both.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Yep, absolutely this.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

It is the deal but that is why you can’t have recruiting class fall apart like this one potentially might.

Luckily with the rise of grad transfers/portal, it can help mitigate poor HS recruiting classes now. Unfortunately, Wilcox hasn’t used the portal to his advantage like others coaches but he is going to have to do so this year and next.

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WilderThanGene's avatar

Bimage and Bequette were pretty clutch gets with our injury issues on D

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Exactly...that was more my point. Losing some big names from this class is not ideal, and Wilcox definitely can not make a habit of having lower third P12 recruiting classes if he wants to build the program. But if he works the portal, the impact for 2022 may be negligible.

The impact for '24-'25 may be big tho.

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paulie's avatar

perhaps we should start looking into Dr Pepper NIL deals

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