I passionately disagree with the author's assertion that Garbers' threw the game away. This loss is not entirely on him. He had a few mistakes but he also made many good plays to counter balance the mistakes. Furthermore, every other unit had as many or more mistakes. The penalties, the blown coverages, the first half lack of pressur…
I passionately disagree with the author's assertion that Garbers' threw the game away. This loss is not entirely on him. He had a few mistakes but he also made many good plays to counter balance the mistakes. Furthermore, every other unit had as many or more mistakes. The penalties, the blown coverages, the first half lack of pressure, the botched special teams, and the continued infatuation to go for the home run on third and short are all equally as important as Garbers' mistkes.
I agree with this. I thought Garbers played well enough to win. I think Garbers is a very good CFB QB but is in the wrong offensive system for his strengths, which is making plays with his feet. He would look great in a power spread offense, similar to what ucla is running with DTR.
I do think Musgrave and Garbers are getting better at using his legs at the right times. Garbers was the leading rusher in the game in spite of some of the no-hope sacks he had.
I agree, I think Musgrave had to learn the hard way with the Nevada loss that Garbers strength isn’t staying in the pocket and he will never be a pro style pocket passing QB. Why it took the Nevada game to learn this and not the Covid shorten 20 season, I do not know.
Well you still have to throw it deep, you just can’t concede the deep ball and passing game. I believe what Musgrave has done since Nevada is get Garbers out of the pocket more on designed roll outs to give him a run/pass option. I also think he is encouraging Garbers to use his legs rather than throwing so many check downs.
Because he's completing many of them. Have you looked at his game stats? He was 30 for 41 (that's a 73% completion average), passed for 319 yards and 2 TD's. He had 2 int's, one of which was a back shoulder throw in which the receiver did not make the required adjustment. He ws our leading rusher with 71 yards and 1 TD. So Garbers accounted for 390 yards of offense, 3 TD's and 2 picks, one of which was receiver error. I'd say he had a fucking great day in the world of college football.
Maybe “very good” is a bit too much but he is good. Probably in that Kevin Hogan good CFB QB who is mostly a game manager who can make plays with his feet and his arm.
Yeah, I think overall I have the impression that he played well despite 2 INTs and 1 fumble (sack). He hesitated and missed some open receivers but other than that he made good decisions and extended plays.
Fully agree with Chowder. This game was lost for many reasons...the first field goal attempt that was blown by a bad snap could be called the reason for the loss. The offensive PF for a facemask call on Coleman that killed one of our critical drives when we were moving could be suggested as the reason for our loss. Multiple blown coverages allowing UW to complete big plays and convert multiple 3rd and longs could be listed as the reason for our loss. The fact is that we didn't lose because of any one (or two) things. We lost because of many, many mistakes. We have some deep rooted issues. I don't see these being cleaned up quickly, because these are the type of issues that rarely appear on well coached teams.
"The fact is that we didn't lose because of any one (or two) things." Continuing this thought, even if we were to list reasons we lost by outcome on the game, Garbers' play does not crack the top 5. We have issues as you said, and the author's assertion he "threw the game away" is disingenuous at best. It'd be at least debatable if he threw a bad pick to end overtime, but that's not what happened.
I passionately disagree with the author's assertion that Garbers' threw the game away. This loss is not entirely on him. He had a few mistakes but he also made many good plays to counter balance the mistakes. Furthermore, every other unit had as many or more mistakes. The penalties, the blown coverages, the first half lack of pressure, the botched special teams, and the continued infatuation to go for the home run on third and short are all equally as important as Garbers' mistkes.
I agree with this. I thought Garbers played well enough to win. I think Garbers is a very good CFB QB but is in the wrong offensive system for his strengths, which is making plays with his feet. He would look great in a power spread offense, similar to what ucla is running with DTR.
I do think Musgrave and Garbers are getting better at using his legs at the right times. Garbers was the leading rusher in the game in spite of some of the no-hope sacks he had.
I agree, I think Musgrave had to learn the hard way with the Nevada loss that Garbers strength isn’t staying in the pocket and he will never be a pro style pocket passing QB. Why it took the Nevada game to learn this and not the Covid shorten 20 season, I do not know.
But if he learned in the Nevada game, why was Chase throwing deep balls throughout the game?
Well you still have to throw it deep, you just can’t concede the deep ball and passing game. I believe what Musgrave has done since Nevada is get Garbers out of the pocket more on designed roll outs to give him a run/pass option. I also think he is encouraging Garbers to use his legs rather than throwing so many check downs.
Because he's completing many of them. Have you looked at his game stats? He was 30 for 41 (that's a 73% completion average), passed for 319 yards and 2 TD's. He had 2 int's, one of which was a back shoulder throw in which the receiver did not make the required adjustment. He ws our leading rusher with 71 yards and 1 TD. So Garbers accounted for 390 yards of offense, 3 TD's and 2 picks, one of which was receiver error. I'd say he had a fucking great day in the world of college football.
Btw, Garbers was 390 of our total 457 total yards of offense.
vs TCU, that is
I’m off the, “Garbers is a very good QB” bandwagon.
Maybe “very good” is a bit too much but he is good. Probably in that Kevin Hogan good CFB QB who is mostly a game manager who can make plays with his feet and his arm.
Yeah, I think overall I have the impression that he played well despite 2 INTs and 1 fumble (sack). He hesitated and missed some open receivers but other than that he made good decisions and extended plays.
Fully agree with Chowder. This game was lost for many reasons...the first field goal attempt that was blown by a bad snap could be called the reason for the loss. The offensive PF for a facemask call on Coleman that killed one of our critical drives when we were moving could be suggested as the reason for our loss. Multiple blown coverages allowing UW to complete big plays and convert multiple 3rd and longs could be listed as the reason for our loss. The fact is that we didn't lose because of any one (or two) things. We lost because of many, many mistakes. We have some deep rooted issues. I don't see these being cleaned up quickly, because these are the type of issues that rarely appear on well coached teams.
"The fact is that we didn't lose because of any one (or two) things." Continuing this thought, even if we were to list reasons we lost by outcome on the game, Garbers' play does not crack the top 5. We have issues as you said, and the author's assertion he "threw the game away" is disingenuous at best. It'd be at least debatable if he threw a bad pick to end overtime, but that's not what happened.