Hi. I am new here. (not really) But anyway, the importance of the DC pales in comparison to the importance of the OC when the HC is a defensive guy. I didn't want TheRooter to go, but still I view this as a win based on dude's recruiting and success with DBs. All that matters is if Musgrave can get this offense to score 25-30 points a game and if we have a country left after Covid and her cousins run train on us.
Jpark: You are right. I forgot myself by suggesting that Heyward should have pulled a Tosh and brought Cardwell with him. College football recruiting is sleazy enough so we don't need to replicate what other programs might be doing. The bottom line is that Cal is an amazing place all on its own. If recruits don't want to be a part of it aside from sports, then they really do belong somewhere else. Thanks for reminding me what is important. GoldenBear88.
I really expect this to be a net positive for us. I don't see our play calling or coaching to downgrade given Wilcox and Sirmon, and our recruiting will be improved. Call me positive on this.
I declare this as a win for the Bears!! College football is all about recruiting. Hell I spend more time looking at the recruiting pages than I do actual games. Yeah yeah only 4 games this year. So it doesn't really matter which position group he ends up coaching as long as he brings in some blue chip DB's. Even with GA we didn't land any so this chap just may be the ticket. And whatever "title" he gets is to qualify for the pay scale, nuttin new there.
Cal fans: Tell me if I'm wrong but I'm having trouble seeing this as a win. We swapped DC's with a program that played LOUSY defense this year. Was Oregon's defense this year a COVID-hiccup or should we worry? God forbid that we go back to the era of Sonny Dykes defenses that couldn't stop a sneeze. Football gods, pray for us.
He didn’t call plays. That was Avalos. Plus their safeties are all nfl caliber and have been the last few years.m. And now you have a proven top P5 recruiter who also has proved he can coach DBs. AND has a grudge against Oregon for not considering him for the open job. This is a massive win.
Agreed. Look, it sucks DeRuyter left, but he did. To fill gaps we just got a very good coach and a great recruiter. Coaches move around and you make the best of it. I’d say we did pretty well given the people we have on staff, etc.
We didn't swap DC's. Sirmon has been our actual DC. He called the plays during games. Avalos was the DC at Oregon. Titles are meaningless in this situation.
Were they lousy? They have up about 2 more pts per game than cal with usc and iowa st on their schedule. Plus oregons had one of the best D's in the conf the previous 2 years.
Some recruiter....We just lost Byron Cardwell (who we have been recruiting since he was a freshman) to his former employer. The bad mojo for all things related to Cal Football continues.....Somebody perform an exorcism NOW!
Oh I'm sorry but was Heyward on our staff while we were recruiting Cardwell? NO? See how easy that was to deduce? Man you are the worst type of whiny-the-sky-is-falling Cal fan. I hope to never run into you at a game.
GoldenSD81: If what you are saying is true, then something is very wrong. The big reason Cal was so devastated by the Tosh defection many years ago is because he took one of the all time great college linebackers (Shaq Thompson) with him to UDUB where he absolutely TERRORIZED Cal during his time there. If this new guy actually recruited Cardwell (but decided to LEAVE HIM AT OREGON?!?!?!?!?), then that will come back to haunt us in the years ahead.
It really depends - but often times coaches split responsibilities by geography AND by position/side of ball. So someone like Charles Ragle obviously would recruit an Arizona player, but he would tag team with someone like Burl Toler if it was a wideout. And then a lot would depend on who the recruit connected better with.
If that's the case then we are screwed! He will jump ship for the first program that doubles his salary (and since he's coming from Cal that won't be hard). Sigh......
Maybe we should only hire coaches that are proven to suck, so nobody will poach them. I think Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris are available; Knowlton should give them a call.
We will still hopefully recruit some Thibodeaux- and JuJu-levels of talent in the short time that he's here and hope that we can elevate the program well enough to get a good replacement then.
I came to this article to find out Heyward's height, weight, 40 yard time, and if he's a 4 star recruit. But NONE OF THAT was included in here. I am considering asking for my money back.
I think this starts with recruiting but there has to have been conversations of fast tracking him to becoming a play caller. Otherwise this is very much a lateral move with the same career projection.
I feel like he'll be short-lived anyway. If he's nearly as good of a recruiter as Duck fans are saying he is, he's gonna get poached in a few years anyhow.
I'm sure one will end up as LB coach , especially since our current LB coach also has a role as DC. That being said, remember just a few years ago we had DE coach and DT coach? and then right after that a safety coach and a cornerbacks coach? It's not that rare and not sure what is so puzzling about it.
yup. pretty simple someone will move. my bet is on either Yates moving down to LBs, which he coached at Arizona and a kid named Colin Schooler OR Heyward teaches a new position with the help of Sirmon, since they'll most likely be Co-DC and teach their group in tandem.
Hi. I am new here. (not really) But anyway, the importance of the DC pales in comparison to the importance of the OC when the HC is a defensive guy. I didn't want TheRooter to go, but still I view this as a win based on dude's recruiting and success with DBs. All that matters is if Musgrave can get this offense to score 25-30 points a game and if we have a country left after Covid and her cousins run train on us.
Jpark: You are right. I forgot myself by suggesting that Heyward should have pulled a Tosh and brought Cardwell with him. College football recruiting is sleazy enough so we don't need to replicate what other programs might be doing. The bottom line is that Cal is an amazing place all on its own. If recruits don't want to be a part of it aside from sports, then they really do belong somewhere else. Thanks for reminding me what is important. GoldenBear88.
I really expect this to be a net positive for us. I don't see our play calling or coaching to downgrade given Wilcox and Sirmon, and our recruiting will be improved. Call me positive on this.
The line on our turnover differential shall now be called the Heyward Fault Line
This is good. Im gonna steal this for football season, credit you of course.
I declare this as a win for the Bears!! College football is all about recruiting. Hell I spend more time looking at the recruiting pages than I do actual games. Yeah yeah only 4 games this year. So it doesn't really matter which position group he ends up coaching as long as he brings in some blue chip DB's. Even with GA we didn't land any so this chap just may be the ticket. And whatever "title" he gets is to qualify for the pay scale, nuttin new there.
Go Bears!!
How do you know we will only play 4 games this year?
errrr, I meant last year. I haven't adjusted to the new year yet.
haha ok. But then why bring up last year when talking about what position group Heyward is going to coach?
Why is there no gif of Wilcox licking his lips?? No, it does not get old!
The only thing I like about the change to Substack is that nobody can post that gif
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ThirdVictoriousCentipede-max-1mb.gif
Yeah but I don’t have to click it
You should click it to see what it is.
I've never been sold on Yates as a DB guy, and Heyward has the body of work to prove he knows what he's doing.
My hope would be Heyward as passing game coordinator/safeties/recruiting coordinator, Yates as CBs, and Sirmon taking all LBs.
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Welp speaking of Oregon...they just landed Cardwell
So we didn’t get a single RB I’m this cycle. Great!
Seems like we have enough running backs, though we lack breakaway speed at the position.
As long as the portal don’t taketh
:'(
Lurking on his twitter feed, no news yet. He did land Jevon Holland from O'Dowd (and we didn't).
He's said he's leaving, just not where to: https://twitter.com/CoachHeyward/status/1353797135087529985/photo/1
I can say, with complete certainty, that this will turn out to be either an inspired, average, or poor hire.
Welcome Coach Heyward! Nice Hire Coach Wilcox. As much as I really like DeRuyter, he was not much of a recruiter.
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Cal fans: Tell me if I'm wrong but I'm having trouble seeing this as a win. We swapped DC's with a program that played LOUSY defense this year. Was Oregon's defense this year a COVID-hiccup or should we worry? God forbid that we go back to the era of Sonny Dykes defenses that couldn't stop a sneeze. Football gods, pray for us.
Upgrade in recruiting which we need desperately. Lost another big offensive recruiting battle today. Offense needs talent badly.
He didn’t call plays. That was Avalos. Plus their safeties are all nfl caliber and have been the last few years.m. And now you have a proven top P5 recruiter who also has proved he can coach DBs. AND has a grudge against Oregon for not considering him for the open job. This is a massive win.
Agreed. Look, it sucks DeRuyter left, but he did. To fill gaps we just got a very good coach and a great recruiter. Coaches move around and you make the best of it. I’d say we did pretty well given the people we have on staff, etc.
We didn't swap DC's. Sirmon has been our actual DC. He called the plays during games. Avalos was the DC at Oregon. Titles are meaningless in this situation.
Were they lousy? They have up about 2 more pts per game than cal with usc and iowa st on their schedule. Plus oregons had one of the best D's in the conf the previous 2 years.
We're getting a Tosh level recruiter in this trade
Some recruiter....We just lost Byron Cardwell (who we have been recruiting since he was a freshman) to his former employer. The bad mojo for all things related to Cal Football continues.....Somebody perform an exorcism NOW!
Oh I'm sorry but was Heyward on our staff while we were recruiting Cardwell? NO? See how easy that was to deduce? Man you are the worst type of whiny-the-sky-is-falling Cal fan. I hope to never run into you at a game.
I'll be easy to find. I'm the guy in the Oski suit. Come and do your worst!
He recreated Cardwell to Oregon before he left, it was his parting gift to the Ducks.
GoldenSD81: If what you are saying is true, then something is very wrong. The big reason Cal was so devastated by the Tosh defection many years ago is because he took one of the all time great college linebackers (Shaq Thompson) with him to UDUB where he absolutely TERRORIZED Cal during his time there. If this new guy actually recruited Cardwell (but decided to LEAVE HIM AT OREGON?!?!?!?!?), then that will come back to haunt us in the years ahead.
It wasn’t just Shaq, it was Arik Armstead and, IIRC, two other top recruits. It devastated our defensive class just days before LOI day.
Wait, so are you saying he should have pulled a Tosh and sabotaged the Ducks' class?
he was not Cardwell's primary or secondary recruiter. If anything he maybe was on a group call with Cardwell.
First of all, I don’t believe that is true.
Second of all, that would be the exact opposite of what Tosh did to Cal.
It really depends - but often times coaches split responsibilities by geography AND by position/side of ball. So someone like Charles Ragle obviously would recruit an Arizona player, but he would tag team with someone like Burl Toler if it was a wideout. And then a lot would depend on who the recruit connected better with.
So the answer is - it changes for every recruit.
If that's the case then we are screwed! He will jump ship for the first program that doubles his salary (and since he's coming from Cal that won't be hard). Sigh......
Maybe we should only hire coaches that are proven to suck, so nobody will poach them. I think Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris are available; Knowlton should give them a call.
HA,HA,HA!!!!
We will still hopefully recruit some Thibodeaux- and JuJu-levels of talent in the short time that he's here and hope that we can elevate the program well enough to get a good replacement then.
Comment on my article without actually reading it?? Appreciate the click.
All you do is post click bait articles with no actual facts.
Damn it you got me. My real article about us hiring Darrius Heyward-Bey and Jason Heyward will be up on TMZ.
I came to this article to find out Heyward's height, weight, 40 yard time, and if he's a 4 star recruit. But NONE OF THAT was included in here. I am considering asking for my money back.
Send a raven to TwistNHook in Moraga. He's good for the money.
For as much as you enjoy reading other sites, you might find the answer to your question if you read this site.
It’s literally in the article. Like literally I wrote names.
But you didn't say it "with authority." Unless you use bold fonts, GB49 doesn't think it's said with authority.
Yeah but did you update Heywards Wikipedia page and then post a link to his Wikipedia page?
reading is hard
It has been widely reported that Heyward landed Thibodeaux at Oregon and Smith-Shuster at USC.
Hmmm...his wiki page now says he is defensive coordinator at Cal.
Looks like a very sloppy edit. Should have wrote University of California to be consistent with the rest of the paragraph.
AFAIK no official announcement yet
I'm guessing with the Wilcox-Sirmon braintrust, they'll focus on gameplanning and playcalling; this hire is more for the recruiting.
I think this starts with recruiting but there has to have been conversations of fast tracking him to becoming a play caller. Otherwise this is very much a lateral move with the same career projection.
I feel like he'll be short-lived anyway. If he's nearly as good of a recruiter as Duck fans are saying he is, he's gonna get poached in a few years anyhow.
So we make the most of him and his talents while we can, and hopefully he likes it here!
This could be a terrific outcome to some less than positive recent news.
Exactly...mitigation.
Oregon has split CB and S duties between coaches, and its turned out pretty well for them. We also had that split under Coach Dykes.
I'm sure one will end up as LB coach , especially since our current LB coach also has a role as DC. That being said, remember just a few years ago we had DE coach and DT coach? and then right after that a safety coach and a cornerbacks coach? It's not that rare and not sure what is so puzzling about it.
yup. pretty simple someone will move. my bet is on either Yates moving down to LBs, which he coached at Arizona and a kid named Colin Schooler OR Heyward teaches a new position with the help of Sirmon, since they'll most likely be Co-DC and teach their group in tandem.