Here is my moonshot, out of the box and Hail Mary idea to save the Pac12.
Pac12 and MWC fully merge into a 20 team league called the PMWC.
Set the league up with a European style soccer regulation format, this could help keep things interesting for teams that aren’t going to make a bowl game and gives teams and fans of those programs somet…
Here is my moonshot, out of the box and Hail Mary idea to save the Pac12.
Pac12 and MWC fully merge into a 20 team league called the PMWC.
Set the league up with a European style soccer regulation format, this could help keep things interesting for teams that aren’t going to make a bowl game and gives teams and fans of those programs something late in the season to keep them engaged.
Do not allow any programs within the PMWC to schedule any OOC games with USC or UCLA in any sports.
In fact, try to schedule as many conference games as possible within the conference to keep conference dollars going to other athletic departments. So the lower tier regulated teams would make up the B or C games of the OOC schedule.
Have a neutral site game schedule for every Saturday at SoFi stadium and make sure it starts 30 minutes before the ucla or usc home game. The 30 minutes before will help fuck up LA traffic to make it more difficult for ucla and usc and other big 10 fans make it on time to those games.
Take a smaller TV contract of 4 or 5 years to try to prove the concept of this new league. Sell all the Olympic/non revenue sports to a streaming service. Put some of the lower tiered football game matchups on the streaming service. Try for a TV contract with CBS for top tier games or the week. Allow for the top tier games to be made available immediately on streaming once the game ends on CBS.
This is really a great idea. It's innovative and interesting and would offer something that the other conferences don't have. Relegation games are also an interesting way to raise interest around games that would otherwise be ignored...and would ensure that the teams in the premier bracket are investing in football. It also makes a path to grab more viewership without completely compromising on quality. Just hope Cal would not be relegated!
I'm good with this, we need to monopolize west coast football as much as possible. But are the slapdicks in charge going to recommend this? And which out of conference games would we schedule? I think our only hope would be conferences like the ACC, MAC, Sunbelt and others. The others must only come out here for USC and UCLA, or would we be playing them too?
Fuck ucla and usc from now until the end of time. We never play them ever again, in any sport.
If the Big10 were collapsing and usc and ucla no longer had a home and came crawling back to us over hot coals and broken glass begging for a cup of water because they were dying of thirst, I still wouldn’t give them my piss to drink.
Let's brain storm more. How else can we screw these bastards? I think a well orchestrated negative PR campaign could help. I don't think most people (who don't follow college football closely) are aware of what is happening...and the repercussions it has for many west coast families that have student athletes.
At the least, I think there should be political pressure for the B1G A$$holes to remediate the damages they created. As much as I despise the B1G A$$holes and Little 14, scooping up the rest of the flagship Pac programs is probably the right thing to do, at this point, unless we do something bold like GoldenSD81 has suggested. Otherwise we find a way to sue the shit out them.
I still think some sort of merger with the ACC would get the presidents in line. You can retain what's left of the west coast rivalries and join forces with programs that make sense from culturally, academically and athletically.
They can do a scheduling alliance but if the ACC merges or adds teams it triggers options to opt out of their GoR which means Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC are gone within minutes.
You could merge in that you only schedule A type games for OOC matchups against one another, also only play bowl games against one another. Something similar to the Big10/ACC basketball tournament. Maybe even hold some of those games at big neutral site events.
Yup, although not sure why you would have to have bowl matchups against one another. You could have a PAC/ACC playoff, possibly even a two game one (more money!) with the winner assured an invite to the natty playoffs.
To add on to this, I think both the MWC and Pac12 need this to work or else both conferences will be regulated to G5 and second or third class program status. They will become a de facto farm league to the Big10/SEC/Big12/ACC where underrated 3* players will develop for a few years and then transfer out. It would be a complete athletic drain.
Really all west coast and western football is facing an existential crisis if the Pac12 collapses. Sure the 4 and 5 stars could still go to USC/UCLA or elsewhere but some of those kids actually want to stay home and play closer to home so that their friends and family can watch them play locally or easily drive or take a quick flight to an away game. West coast and western HSFB be heavily impacted.
Having only usc and ucla as the only P5 programs in the entire west coast and west isn’t a sustainable model and will negatively impact all of CFB as a whole.
Have you counted the eyeballs of the markets that would be involved in this scenario? I ask simply because that's what the TV powers will need to do in order to value it for a contract.
What’s the value of the market for just about the entire west and west coast college football. Negotiate it not as an individual market but basically an entire region.
You would basically have the entire TV markets of the following states: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, Arizona, Hawaii, and New Mexico. You would be splitting the markets in Colorado, Utah, and California.
America is built on monopolies, the PMWC would just about a complete physical monopoly on all CFB in the west. They would also control any and all OOC games so they would be able to dictate which non PMWC programs get exposure to the west.
At the same time your hopefully eroding ucla and usc so when the TV deals come back up for renewal you have weakened the Big10 and strengthened the PMWC position.
Being from the Central Valley, I would like to point out that, despite being more sparsely populated, the Central Valley is more interested in and dedicated to traditional sports and has a gross population that makes a much more involved and loyal fanbase than most urban contrasts. Even FSU rival alum in The Valley would rally for FSU as matter of regional pride. Everyone there knows or is connected to a FSU grad.
I think North and South Dakota State should be added as well. They have been giving teams a hard time for years now. If they get up to 24 teams, the top 8, middle 8, and bottom 8 can play each other in 7 conference games. get up to 9 by playing one of each depending on where they place in those divisions.
Crazy, crazy, I know. But I think crazy ideas are needed in order to survive.
Fuck it! Why not! I actually think this idea of 24 and splitting into 3 tiered regulated leagues is a good one.
Then we could even have a reverse Ted Lasso show for Apple TV where an out of his element and washed up British football coach comes to the US to coach a down on their luck New Mexico squad that has been regulated in the PMWC.
On a serious note, if we can't get the big markets or whatever, then we need the quality football. The product on the field must at least be as good as the XII. I think that is possible for certain. With an entertaining product, we can take less now, and bet on the future.
The USC-UCLA hold on the Los Angeles TV market has to be eaten away for this to work. The numbers don't favor the West against the other regions of the US (only 80 million people total) against the other regions (South has about 125 million and North+Midwest has 125 million).
A PAC-MW fusion that locks out other conferences for non-conference games with a relegation system would be interesting though. Too bad it won't happen.
Absolutely you would need to cut into the LA market and it could work, especially if usc and ucla struggle and more people start to watch the Rams and Chargers.
Here is my moonshot, out of the box and Hail Mary idea to save the Pac12.
Pac12 and MWC fully merge into a 20 team league called the PMWC.
Set the league up with a European style soccer regulation format, this could help keep things interesting for teams that aren’t going to make a bowl game and gives teams and fans of those programs something late in the season to keep them engaged.
Do not allow any programs within the PMWC to schedule any OOC games with USC or UCLA in any sports.
In fact, try to schedule as many conference games as possible within the conference to keep conference dollars going to other athletic departments. So the lower tier regulated teams would make up the B or C games of the OOC schedule.
Have a neutral site game schedule for every Saturday at SoFi stadium and make sure it starts 30 minutes before the ucla or usc home game. The 30 minutes before will help fuck up LA traffic to make it more difficult for ucla and usc and other big 10 fans make it on time to those games.
Take a smaller TV contract of 4 or 5 years to try to prove the concept of this new league. Sell all the Olympic/non revenue sports to a streaming service. Put some of the lower tiered football game matchups on the streaming service. Try for a TV contract with CBS for top tier games or the week. Allow for the top tier games to be made available immediately on streaming once the game ends on CBS.
This idea is too creative for ac-12’s powers at play
This is really a great idea. It's innovative and interesting and would offer something that the other conferences don't have. Relegation games are also an interesting way to raise interest around games that would otherwise be ignored...and would ensure that the teams in the premier bracket are investing in football. It also makes a path to grab more viewership without completely compromising on quality. Just hope Cal would not be relegated!
I'm good with this, we need to monopolize west coast football as much as possible. But are the slapdicks in charge going to recommend this? And which out of conference games would we schedule? I think our only hope would be conferences like the ACC, MAC, Sunbelt and others. The others must only come out here for USC and UCLA, or would we be playing them too?
Fuck ucla and usc from now until the end of time. We never play them ever again, in any sport.
If the Big10 were collapsing and usc and ucla no longer had a home and came crawling back to us over hot coals and broken glass begging for a cup of water because they were dying of thirst, I still wouldn’t give them my piss to drink.
No, no, no, this is a blood grudge.
Let's brain storm more. How else can we screw these bastards? I think a well orchestrated negative PR campaign could help. I don't think most people (who don't follow college football closely) are aware of what is happening...and the repercussions it has for many west coast families that have student athletes.
At the least, I think there should be political pressure for the B1G A$$holes to remediate the damages they created. As much as I despise the B1G A$$holes and Little 14, scooping up the rest of the flagship Pac programs is probably the right thing to do, at this point, unless we do something bold like GoldenSD81 has suggested. Otherwise we find a way to sue the shit out them.
100% agree. I could give a shit less about the both of them. But this grudge as justified as it is will not save the football program we love.
But who would we play? Just anyone who isn't from the B1G or the XII? And would the mountain west be willing to merge?
Yes, anyone that isn’t Big10. Actually playing the Big12 would be fine.
Yeah, there has to be someone we can prove we are just as good as if not better and the Big XII would be a good punching bag for that
IMO, merging with the Mountain West will downgrade the Pac from P5 to G5 status.
Under normal circumstances I would totally agree but the reality is we are on the verge of being regulated to G5 status at the moment.
I still think some sort of merger with the ACC would get the presidents in line. You can retain what's left of the west coast rivalries and join forces with programs that make sense from culturally, academically and athletically.
Both ideas makes sense and that serves to underscore how sad the PAC12 has become.
They can do a scheduling alliance but if the ACC merges or adds teams it triggers options to opt out of their GoR which means Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC are gone within minutes.
You could merge in that you only schedule A type games for OOC matchups against one another, also only play bowl games against one another. Something similar to the Big10/ACC basketball tournament. Maybe even hold some of those games at big neutral site events.
Yup, although not sure why you would have to have bowl matchups against one another. You could have a PAC/ACC playoff, possibly even a two game one (more money!) with the winner assured an invite to the natty playoffs.
Because hate and spite are a powerful drug.
Hah. . . or we can just go all '91 Citrus Bowl on them.
To add on to this, I think both the MWC and Pac12 need this to work or else both conferences will be regulated to G5 and second or third class program status. They will become a de facto farm league to the Big10/SEC/Big12/ACC where underrated 3* players will develop for a few years and then transfer out. It would be a complete athletic drain.
Really all west coast and western football is facing an existential crisis if the Pac12 collapses. Sure the 4 and 5 stars could still go to USC/UCLA or elsewhere but some of those kids actually want to stay home and play closer to home so that their friends and family can watch them play locally or easily drive or take a quick flight to an away game. West coast and western HSFB be heavily impacted.
Having only usc and ucla as the only P5 programs in the entire west coast and west isn’t a sustainable model and will negatively impact all of CFB as a whole.
Have you counted the eyeballs of the markets that would be involved in this scenario? I ask simply because that's what the TV powers will need to do in order to value it for a contract.
What’s the value of the market for just about the entire west and west coast college football. Negotiate it not as an individual market but basically an entire region.
You would basically have the entire TV markets of the following states: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, Arizona, Hawaii, and New Mexico. You would be splitting the markets in Colorado, Utah, and California.
America is built on monopolies, the PMWC would just about a complete physical monopoly on all CFB in the west. They would also control any and all OOC games so they would be able to dictate which non PMWC programs get exposure to the west.
At the same time your hopefully eroding ucla and usc so when the TV deals come back up for renewal you have weakened the Big10 and strengthened the PMWC position.
Nevada as well
I knew I forgot someone, yes Nevada as well.
Even in states that we don’t control the whole market, the PMWC would have more teams represented in each state:
Utah: UU, USU vs BYU
Colorado: CSU, Air Force vs Colorado
California: Cal, SDSU, SJSU, FSU, vs USC, UCLA
People like to say demographics is destiny, well the number of students and future alumni would dwarf that of the rival in state schools.
Being from the Central Valley, I would like to point out that, despite being more sparsely populated, the Central Valley is more interested in and dedicated to traditional sports and has a gross population that makes a much more involved and loyal fanbase than most urban contrasts. Even FSU rival alum in The Valley would rally for FSU as matter of regional pride. Everyone there knows or is connected to a FSU grad.
What problem?
#GoBears
#PACpocalypse12
I think North and South Dakota State should be added as well. They have been giving teams a hard time for years now. If they get up to 24 teams, the top 8, middle 8, and bottom 8 can play each other in 7 conference games. get up to 9 by playing one of each depending on where they place in those divisions.
Crazy, crazy, I know. But I think crazy ideas are needed in order to survive.
Yes, the "pan et circi" factor. Make it entertaining; let a champion emerge.
So tired of Tommy Trojan being our "Champion."
What problem?
#GoBears
#PACpocalypse12
Fuck it! Why not! I actually think this idea of 24 and splitting into 3 tiered regulated leagues is a good one.
Then we could even have a reverse Ted Lasso show for Apple TV where an out of his element and washed up British football coach comes to the US to coach a down on their luck New Mexico squad that has been regulated in the PMWC.
We can call it Avery Smith.
It would be nice if it were all real.
On a serious note, if we can't get the big markets or whatever, then we need the quality football. The product on the field must at least be as good as the XII. I think that is possible for certain. With an entertaining product, we can take less now, and bet on the future.
The USC-UCLA hold on the Los Angeles TV market has to be eaten away for this to work. The numbers don't favor the West against the other regions of the US (only 80 million people total) against the other regions (South has about 125 million and North+Midwest has 125 million).
A PAC-MW fusion that locks out other conferences for non-conference games with a relegation system would be interesting though. Too bad it won't happen.
Here's a crazy idea.
To get back the L.A. market, we sponsor football programs at U.C. Irvine, Riverside, Northridge, C.S.U.L.A., and Long Beach State.
Too much? ;)
LMU and Pepperdine too! Get that private school money involved
Absolutely you would need to cut into the LA market and it could work, especially if usc and ucla struggle and more people start to watch the Rams and Chargers.
No one cares about the Chargers anymore
*Throws away San Diego Supercharger song.
RIP Chargers
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