Tighten up the D, continue with the O demonstrated in this game, and we may win some games. I'm thinking 6-6 is probably the ceiling for the team this year.
Tighten up the D, continue with the O demonstrated in this game, and we may win some games. I'm thinking 6-6 is probably the ceiling for the team this year.
Wilcox has gone 2-7, 4-5, 4-5 and 1-3 in the conference. I think the Pac 12 is better this year. Washington will be vastly improved from their first two games from what I saw in the second half of the Michigan game. Stanford just showed they will be improved. Can you imagine a Wilcox team doing that to USC on the road? And Oregon State looks like they have found an offense with a new quarterback and their usual stable of very good running backs. I don't see the five conference wins on their schedule that it would take to get to 6-6.
I mean, could this be Holmoe redux, where Wilcox reached his ceiling after the 2019 season and we didn't know it? You may recall that Holmoe beat Oklahoma and USC in 1998 and just needed a Big Game win for a bowl game. Instead, they scored 3 points in that game that started a downhill slide and Holmoe's firing two years later. Like Wilcox, Holmoe was a defensive guy who could never find consistent offense.
Simply, no. Holmoe was not a 'defensive guy'. He was a budding AD who got paid to learn head coaching on-the-job by Cal for 5 miserable seasons. Any surprise wins (Oklahoma was 5-6 that year btw) early in his tenure I attribute to the talent and assistants left behind by Mariucci. He was as qualified for that job as Wyking was for his (at least Holmoe was a stand-up guy). There is no equivalency in any way to Wilcox, who does know how to coach, and comparing conference records, 9-31, 16% win percentage, no big game wins vs. 10-17, 35%, 1-2 in big game (throwing out 2020, less than meaningless), there is still hope in 2021. There was none in 2000 nor 2001.
At the very least, you need to get your facts straight. Holmoe WAS the defensive coordinator for Mariucci and played defense for several seasons in the NFL. He also was a defensive backs coach with both Stanford and the 49ers before joining the staff at Cal. So he was a defensive guy. And Wilcox's conference record is 11-20, not 10-17. Sorry, but you don't get to throw out the "meaningless" 2020 season. Cal played poorly in the 2020 season, and it has carried over into this year. Holmoe's overall awful record was heavily influenced by his final year when he went 1-10. The curtain is still playing out on Wilcox' tenure. I only asked if 2019 was his ceiling in the same way that 1998 was the high mark for Holmoe
Sorry, I mis-interpeted your phrasing. By saying Holmoe was a 'defensive guy' (instead of a 'defensive coordinator'), I took your meaning to say he was a head coach with defensive proclivities. That would describe Wilcox perfectly. Holmoe was a 'defensive coordinator', and not much more, football-wise, other than a high-quality individual. Wilcox did the hard work required to prepare himself for the head coaching position (ala Bruce Snyder), whereas Holmoe had it thrust upon him by an over-enthusiastic Mariucci. I don't think he had any ambition to be a head coach, but you're not going to turn it down. I distinctly remember at the time thinking the suits at Cal were enthralled by Mariucci and bought his endorsement, without the proper due diligence. And no, 2020 really doesn't count as far as evaluating a Wilcox's performance. Yes, it absolutely will count in the record books, but Wilcox shouldn't be judged by playing their first game of the season (UCLA had already played), an away game at UCLA on two(!) days notice, with a defensive line in quarantine, just has he shouldn't be given much credit by beating Oregon's reserves. Also, and uniquely Cal's issue, the city of Berkeley's super-tight covid restrictions (which in the historical view were probably the right calls) hobbled the Bears ability to hold practices and host games. In contrast to Wilcox, Holmoe's overall awful record was, I would say, only partially influenced by his 1-10 last season, but also factoring in would be his previous 3-8 season, and the 4-7 season prior to that. He never had a winning season. Wilcox may eventually fail, but any comparison to Holmoe are not apt.
Goldenone: "Tighten up the D". Truer words have never been spoken but we are going to find out if Sirmon has the necessary DC chops to make this happen. I didn't think that there would be this much of a drop-off for the defense after The 'Root moved to Oregon but seeing is believing. Look at how our defense has played for the last two games vs. Oregon. Football gods, pray for us.
Tighten up the D, continue with the O demonstrated in this game, and we may win some games. I'm thinking 6-6 is probably the ceiling for the team this year.
Wilcox has gone 2-7, 4-5, 4-5 and 1-3 in the conference. I think the Pac 12 is better this year. Washington will be vastly improved from their first two games from what I saw in the second half of the Michigan game. Stanford just showed they will be improved. Can you imagine a Wilcox team doing that to USC on the road? And Oregon State looks like they have found an offense with a new quarterback and their usual stable of very good running backs. I don't see the five conference wins on their schedule that it would take to get to 6-6.
I mean, could this be Holmoe redux, where Wilcox reached his ceiling after the 2019 season and we didn't know it? You may recall that Holmoe beat Oklahoma and USC in 1998 and just needed a Big Game win for a bowl game. Instead, they scored 3 points in that game that started a downhill slide and Holmoe's firing two years later. Like Wilcox, Holmoe was a defensive guy who could never find consistent offense.
Simply, no. Holmoe was not a 'defensive guy'. He was a budding AD who got paid to learn head coaching on-the-job by Cal for 5 miserable seasons. Any surprise wins (Oklahoma was 5-6 that year btw) early in his tenure I attribute to the talent and assistants left behind by Mariucci. He was as qualified for that job as Wyking was for his (at least Holmoe was a stand-up guy). There is no equivalency in any way to Wilcox, who does know how to coach, and comparing conference records, 9-31, 16% win percentage, no big game wins vs. 10-17, 35%, 1-2 in big game (throwing out 2020, less than meaningless), there is still hope in 2021. There was none in 2000 nor 2001.
At the very least, you need to get your facts straight. Holmoe WAS the defensive coordinator for Mariucci and played defense for several seasons in the NFL. He also was a defensive backs coach with both Stanford and the 49ers before joining the staff at Cal. So he was a defensive guy. And Wilcox's conference record is 11-20, not 10-17. Sorry, but you don't get to throw out the "meaningless" 2020 season. Cal played poorly in the 2020 season, and it has carried over into this year. Holmoe's overall awful record was heavily influenced by his final year when he went 1-10. The curtain is still playing out on Wilcox' tenure. I only asked if 2019 was his ceiling in the same way that 1998 was the high mark for Holmoe
Sorry, I mis-interpeted your phrasing. By saying Holmoe was a 'defensive guy' (instead of a 'defensive coordinator'), I took your meaning to say he was a head coach with defensive proclivities. That would describe Wilcox perfectly. Holmoe was a 'defensive coordinator', and not much more, football-wise, other than a high-quality individual. Wilcox did the hard work required to prepare himself for the head coaching position (ala Bruce Snyder), whereas Holmoe had it thrust upon him by an over-enthusiastic Mariucci. I don't think he had any ambition to be a head coach, but you're not going to turn it down. I distinctly remember at the time thinking the suits at Cal were enthralled by Mariucci and bought his endorsement, without the proper due diligence. And no, 2020 really doesn't count as far as evaluating a Wilcox's performance. Yes, it absolutely will count in the record books, but Wilcox shouldn't be judged by playing their first game of the season (UCLA had already played), an away game at UCLA on two(!) days notice, with a defensive line in quarantine, just has he shouldn't be given much credit by beating Oregon's reserves. Also, and uniquely Cal's issue, the city of Berkeley's super-tight covid restrictions (which in the historical view were probably the right calls) hobbled the Bears ability to hold practices and host games. In contrast to Wilcox, Holmoe's overall awful record was, I would say, only partially influenced by his 1-10 last season, but also factoring in would be his previous 3-8 season, and the 4-7 season prior to that. He never had a winning season. Wilcox may eventually fail, but any comparison to Holmoe are not apt.
Goldenone: "Tighten up the D". Truer words have never been spoken but we are going to find out if Sirmon has the necessary DC chops to make this happen. I didn't think that there would be this much of a drop-off for the defense after The 'Root moved to Oregon but seeing is believing. Look at how our defense has played for the last two games vs. Oregon. Football gods, pray for us.
Heck, a skillful quick punt on 3rd down may have been a good option.
Which would still mean a winning Conference record