Good luck to Stanfurd. If they can't handle Troy Taylor they are never gonna find a decent coach. If Coach Taylor was fired for inappropriate statements to women because how they smelled or were behaving on the field, then it certainly wasn't about sexual harassment. Did he offend/trigger some wokesters? No Coach will want to get near th…
Good luck to Stanfurd. If they can't handle Troy Taylor they are never gonna find a decent coach. If Coach Taylor was fired for inappropriate statements to women because how they smelled or were behaving on the field, then it certainly wasn't about sexual harassment. Did he offend/trigger some wokesters? No Coach will want to get near that kind of crap. You think Coach Prime could succeed at a place like Stanfurd the way he has done at Colorado? No flipping way. When the inmates in the asylum can get head coaches fired for stuff like this, then good head coaches won't add their name to the hiring list. Good luck Stanfurd.
I'm always amazed at how willing people are to allow others to be abused, all for some greater good they perceive. Speaks more about the person than the people who have the guts to speak up.
You mean, like Basic Training in the US Armed Forces? Cause, you know, they never yell at you or demean you...('for some greater good they perceive'). It's all positive motivation (like lollipops and stickers).
First, the military isn't sports. But glad you brought it up. Because the US military recognizes it needs to change. From Military.com
The loud and brutal drill sergeant was seen as a way to toughen up fresh recruits and prepare them for the harsh realities of war, from the jungles of Vietnam to the post-9/11 battlefields in Afghanistan and Iraq. But that thinking is changing, and many in the service believe a less harsh approach may actually be more effective with recruits.
"The naysayers who we were initially fighting against didn't believe this new way of doing things," Beeson said. "Gentler isn't the right way to say it; it's just dignity and respect. People desire structure, and we're trying to give it to them. We're just not being assholes when we're doing it."
Hey. It's a bully move to pick on women, no doubt about that. Troy is guilty of being an asshole. But...there is an aspect of tough-love in football culture. I've coached both tackle football and soccer, and one of the best things about football is that you can implement more disciplinary measures (such as up-downs), no problem. ...things you could never get away with in soccer (or w/soccer moms). Not saying it's OK to abuse staff, but some of this sort of behavior is part of football culture (and borrowed from military culture). Perhaps it can be done another way, but it is what it is.
My son is a third degree black belt in the toughest Kajukenbo dojo in the country, led by one of the legendary bad asses in martial arts, and not once in the 18 years he's been there, from age 8, did I see him abused. Was he held accountable? Of course. Did he work hard? Harder than any other kid that I know.
I ran track from age 5, throughout high school, and only stopped when I got to Cal. Again, no abuse.
You don't have to accept abuse as a natural part of a sport, nor should we scream at the clouds because society has determined that coaches need to change. We can't poo poo Stanford, at the same time recognize that we had an AD ignore abuse in our swimming department.
It's like I tell writers who get mad that society has changed and they rail about 'political correctness' or 'woke culture' etc. If you're not skilled enough to adapt, then quit. Because there are others who CAN come up with innovative ways to teach without abusing.
Calling someone out for accountability is not abuse. In fact, a little yelling now nd then is not abuse in my book. Having played football and rugby, yelling can be considered motivation. Unless you're a snowflake of course.
My point here is that there are cultures attached to certain things we do. Not all cultures are honey and butterflies. Some cultures are tough and for good reason. You can't apply the same behavioral requirements to every culture.
People that can't handle tough love and motivation should stay away from sports that are known for rigorous and tough training, including verbal communication.
I guarantee you a football player won't see a coach yelling for accountability as abuse, but a young gal in the wrong place posing as a distraction to players in practice most certainly would.
The world isn't a fairy tale, and abuse is sometimes a contextual issue, especially for snowflakes - unless it's brutal verbal, physical or sexual, then its wrong.
You're kidding, right? Nick Saban wouldn't last two weeks at CAL. Watch some videos of him chewing out assistant coaches, players and reporters. He's tough, but everyone around him that is part of his winning culture appreciates his tough approach.
Good luck to Stanfurd. If they can't handle Troy Taylor they are never gonna find a decent coach. If Coach Taylor was fired for inappropriate statements to women because how they smelled or were behaving on the field, then it certainly wasn't about sexual harassment. Did he offend/trigger some wokesters? No Coach will want to get near that kind of crap. You think Coach Prime could succeed at a place like Stanfurd the way he has done at Colorado? No flipping way. When the inmates in the asylum can get head coaches fired for stuff like this, then good head coaches won't add their name to the hiring list. Good luck Stanfurd.
I'm always amazed at how willing people are to allow others to be abused, all for some greater good they perceive. Speaks more about the person than the people who have the guts to speak up.
You mean, like Basic Training in the US Armed Forces? Cause, you know, they never yell at you or demean you...('for some greater good they perceive'). It's all positive motivation (like lollipops and stickers).
First, the military isn't sports. But glad you brought it up. Because the US military recognizes it needs to change. From Military.com
The loud and brutal drill sergeant was seen as a way to toughen up fresh recruits and prepare them for the harsh realities of war, from the jungles of Vietnam to the post-9/11 battlefields in Afghanistan and Iraq. But that thinking is changing, and many in the service believe a less harsh approach may actually be more effective with recruits.
"The naysayers who we were initially fighting against didn't believe this new way of doing things," Beeson said. "Gentler isn't the right way to say it; it's just dignity and respect. People desire structure, and we're trying to give it to them. We're just not being assholes when we're doing it."
Hey. It's a bully move to pick on women, no doubt about that. Troy is guilty of being an asshole. But...there is an aspect of tough-love in football culture. I've coached both tackle football and soccer, and one of the best things about football is that you can implement more disciplinary measures (such as up-downs), no problem. ...things you could never get away with in soccer (or w/soccer moms). Not saying it's OK to abuse staff, but some of this sort of behavior is part of football culture (and borrowed from military culture). Perhaps it can be done another way, but it is what it is.
My son is a third degree black belt in the toughest Kajukenbo dojo in the country, led by one of the legendary bad asses in martial arts, and not once in the 18 years he's been there, from age 8, did I see him abused. Was he held accountable? Of course. Did he work hard? Harder than any other kid that I know.
I ran track from age 5, throughout high school, and only stopped when I got to Cal. Again, no abuse.
You don't have to accept abuse as a natural part of a sport, nor should we scream at the clouds because society has determined that coaches need to change. We can't poo poo Stanford, at the same time recognize that we had an AD ignore abuse in our swimming department.
It's like I tell writers who get mad that society has changed and they rail about 'political correctness' or 'woke culture' etc. If you're not skilled enough to adapt, then quit. Because there are others who CAN come up with innovative ways to teach without abusing.
Calling someone out for accountability is not abuse. In fact, a little yelling now nd then is not abuse in my book. Having played football and rugby, yelling can be considered motivation. Unless you're a snowflake of course.
My point here is that there are cultures attached to certain things we do. Not all cultures are honey and butterflies. Some cultures are tough and for good reason. You can't apply the same behavioral requirements to every culture.
People that can't handle tough love and motivation should stay away from sports that are known for rigorous and tough training, including verbal communication.
I guarantee you a football player won't see a coach yelling for accountability as abuse, but a young gal in the wrong place posing as a distraction to players in practice most certainly would.
The world isn't a fairy tale, and abuse is sometimes a contextual issue, especially for snowflakes - unless it's brutal verbal, physical or sexual, then its wrong.
Those darn wokesters ruin everything, constantly having their feelings triggered.
Sorry, no. Lots of coaches manage to both “win football games” and “not harass staffers.”
Who
Nick Saban?
You're kidding, right? Nick Saban wouldn't last two weeks at CAL. Watch some videos of him chewing out assistant coaches, players and reporters. He's tough, but everyone around him that is part of his winning culture appreciates his tough approach.