Wilcox' refusal to give Millner more snaps last season when it was already obvious Cal was headed for a bad losing season is further proof of his incompetence as a head coach. I am guessing he was thinking if he could just secure a Big Game win he could stick around at Cal as long as he wanted. Well, I guess that's true. There is an old saying that people get they government they deserve. Cal fans are getting the Wilcox they deserve.
This is worse than Plummer leaving. Hard not to think it would have been preventable with more snaps. JW’s insistence on giving all snaps to Plummer even in games that were out of hand or where Plummer was hurt and/or struggling was frustrating at the time and mind boggling now.
What about the 6'5" freshman from Miami who was highly recruited and decided on Cal. He looked very accurate in drills and is pretty mobile. "Coach him up"!! His name is Mendoza.
Yeah......and the QB dude Cal is courting from Louisiana Monroe played on a 4-8 team and had very middlin stats. I noticed that LM played Texas State last year, which is probably why Spavital contacted him.
From Kai’s POV, he lost the starting job last year to a random transfer guy (who is now transferring again, lol). Now we are talking to another transfer… He is probably just frustrated by that, feels the rug will be pulled out from under him again. All of which is, quite obviously, a giant personnel management failure by the coaching staff.
I don’t think it is a move that makes sense for Kai, but I have no real knowledge of his situation. Just saying that from the outside looking in I could see how he would be frustrated. And managing that frustration is obviously the job of the coaching staff, which seems to have shat the bed here
Yeah I can see the frustration. If he's really good, he can be a starter somewhere and hopefully he will be successful. Although if he is too successful, we will feel pretty miserable too.
I do not have the football IQ of others on here, but scoring the immobile back up QB from Purdue, a bottom tier Big Ten team, is not exactly a recruiting coup. He was fine, but nothing special, if we are being honest
And now after 6 years Wilcox is going back to the OC on staff prior to his hire that was successfully creating a potent offense? Wilcox is an idiot when it comes to offense. Last 2 hires were horrid, including the ancient pro set Musgrave offense. So now is a version of the Air Raid coming back. Maybe hire Hal Mumme as a consultant?
Why? He's a 4 start athlete, but completely untested and unproven as a QB. That was in his evaluation. Any team taking him was betting they could coach him up and not that his experience was worth something.
I fell in love with his tape. He would be the best athlete we've ever had at the position. I also would prefer for us us to grow someone in the position rather than go with a series of one-year rentals.
Got it and I respect your opinion. I agree with the comment about one year rentals as well. The question is would he be ready to play next year? Thoughts? I imagine with UCLA loading up on QB's he may start thinking about transferring, but would he need to wait a year here before having a chance to get on the field?
Impossible for me to say. I would hope so. It seems to me we have but two roads to pursue: Take a rental or begin to develop someone on the job. The latter poses short-term risks, but Wilcox is not going anywhere for awhile (regardless of whether folks here think he should or shouldn't. It's the way of the world at Cal these days). Now is his opportunity to pursue that longer-game route if he chooses to take it.
How about both? How about a solid transfer with a year of eligibility and a kid like Justyn Martin who could then take a year to learn the system before getting thrown into the fire? Btw, listening to an interview with Clint Cosgrove of Rivals and JW. JW has some interesting comments that make a lot of sense. The Portal has changed the game and he gets it. Btw, just read an article about Chandler Rogers...they are saying he could be the next RGlll. Also, Baylor has eyes on him and Hudson Card from Texas.
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, Kai seemed destined to excel in the new offense. While he's not Lamar Jackson, he has a terrific arm and to my eye he looked to be more mobile than Chase Garbers, which would have been enough to run a modern offense. On the other hand, defense (duh) and offensive lines win championships (See Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams). Kai waited a few days, didn't see any help arriving for the OL, and decided he'd have a better chance to win/stay alive if a school were to come calling that has a solid OL. Can't fault him. For those suggesting the coaches didn't want him or chased him away, phooey.
Milner does not have a terrific arm (the drop off in velocity from Plummer to Milner is stark) and he is not more mobile than Garbers (rushed for over 1k yards in his Cal career). I would like him to stay, but this smells a lot more like Spav is hitting the portal.
I don't think Millner is a special QB but we do need a starter and a backup. Not sure we'll find both in the portal in the same year. At least not better than transfer and Kai battling it out.
You must have seen a different Millner than I did. I actually thought he was throwing too hard on some of his throws, but the wr's held on. And who's to say Millner wouldn't run for 2k?
This is false regarding Kai not seeing OL help coming in. Cardwell committed and signed knowing how deficient the OL is but trusted the staff’s plan to address it. Saying Kai bolted bc of this is misleading at best.
Obviously I don't know what's in his head. But putting myself in his shoes, I could easily come to that decision, seeing how the help isn't arriving (and watching Plummer get beat up all season). And I'm sure the staff has been addressing it for many seasons now, and there's no guarantee they'll be successful this time around. As a QB, it's smarter to play for a team who already has the OL in school and on the roster, than some dreamed-of OL that may or may not materialize.
Milner is not a fit for Spav’s offense. Rob’s practice reports constantly mentioned how inaccurate Milner was. Spav needs a QB who can consistently hit the quick passes.
The portal is ruining college athletics. 18-y-olds are eating up schollys and pledging loyalty and then jumping ship. This is the tail wagging the dog. RIP loyalty and tradition. 🙏
I think right now the portal is new. There is not a lot of evidence built up yet about the downside of transferring. It seems like all upside. I think with time that evidence will build and it will cool a little. However I agree with the concept that kids should be able to transfer and play freely. What interest do we have in preventing them from doing so? It is their life, and it seems odd to prohibit athletes from doing something that other kids can freely do just because they are undertaking unpaid labor for the school’s benefit
Funny, I thought the portal only gives one free immediate play (though the NCAA may start giving out exceptions like candy... and the grad transfers are even looser ). Also, taking a transfer means the school commits to keeping them on scholly through their eligibility. As much chaos has has been created, there will be some more stability as these scholarship numbers get eaten up after a couple of years of transfers... It won't necessarily be better but it will evolve...
Eh? You think a college degree is not important in the real world? The country is stratifying / class status ossifying, exactly along educational lines. Look up the difference in lifetime earnings between college and non college grads, it is huge.
I don't know. I have my own business and do fairly well. It has nothing to do with my undergrad study. But I do have a degree from Cal. Not sure if I ever needed one though.
I respectfully disagree - you, like me, have 'intangibles' that were honed in us by professors who were more devoted to research and/or publishing than to spend any time working on becoming good instructors. The benefits of having to fend for ourselves, enlist the help of others, learn to investigate, to ingest and really understand very complex ideas has paid tremendous benefits in my and I suspect your careers. I only had a handful of instructors who were actually good teachers.
Yeah, that was also my point as well. That's what comes with going to a 4 year university. It's the work ethics, dedication, learning, etc. But if you are able to do that in college, you could probably do that, learn and excel at your work too. You already have that in you. Anyone that was good enough to get a degree from one of the top institutions in the world can be successful at most things in life.
I can't officially speak for Just, but as I read that post... the comment is not that a degree does not matter only that WHERE the degree is from does not matter much...
personally I think where only matters much depending on one's career path and i doubt that is going to be a big issue for most serious college football players...
Thanks, yeah that was the original intent when I said "not that relevant", in which I responded to "where a college degree is from"
As for the degree itself, I think the difference in lifetime earnings of college graduates and those who are not has more to do with the person himself (work ethics, resources, upbringing, financials. etc.) than the degree itself, although I agree there are many jobs that require a degree and it opens up to far more opportunities.
Where your degree comes from opens up doors. A Top 20 degree pays more than a run of the mill degree from Nowhere State. Same thing holds for business and law degrees. A degree from a Top 5 University or maybe Cal (Top Public) offers many more lucrative career options or scholarly career options as well (if you want to be an academic).
What about all the connections you make during recruiting process? Like only committing instead of actually attending? Jordan Payton might be just as successful.
Hah, I doubt it. Imagine you are an employer. You get a resume of a young kid who is just out of school, and on the educational part it lists like 5 colleges. You are going to be excited about investing company resources in someone with a demonstrated willingness to hop around with such frequency? I doubt it.
This is disappointing. He seemed to have real potential (albeit from a small sample size) now we likely need two QBs from the portal. Another reason to miss "the good ole days" when people stuck around for four, or five, years.
Hinder was probably the last guy to stick around for 4~5 years and he was a lifetime backup. And he even had Alabama offer. Would never happen in current system.
Everyone remain calm and watch the JW presser. He is clear that they will be revamping the offense and schemes entirely, which we knew would occur having Spav as OC, and that they want to run RPO and have a dual threat QB. JW is a man of integrity and this pattern fits. If we are going to speculate, we should assume that JW, a man of impeccable integrity, was up front with both Millner and Plummer and probably told both of them that while they'd like to keep them around, they are actively seeking a transfer that fits the scheme better.
I'm a Wilcox supporter and me handle is from back in the day when Wilcox was hired but WFC had more responses on some taco joint in Berkeley than the new coach. So, atm I'm falling on my sword. Integrity is good, fire is good.
What Wilcox lacks, which I did not know about him, is the ability to recognize problems early and have the character to CHANGE immediately. Wilcox has made some very poor choices in hires: Baldwin, Greatwood, Angus, Musgrave & probably the S&C coach and he is reluctant and/or incapable to see his mistakes in due order. Great leaders recognize their failures quickly and act upon it. Wilcox does not appear to have that trait ~ albeit he is trying now in year 6!!
That was likely with Plummer. Not as convinced that's the case with Kai though time will tell. I do agree Wilcox has integrity but am less convinced he has the situation under control.
I expected this after Wilcox's presser yesterday. It's clear that the coaches don't think Milner is ready or has what it takes to assume the starting role. I also expect Spav had a big say in this. Spav is going to want dual threat QB's and Plummer is definitely not that and Milner is borderline. They probably sat down with both QB's and told them the direction of the program and the offense and that they would be seeking to find one or more DT QB's and both Plummer and Milner saw the writing on the wall. I wish them both the best.
I don't believe this for a second. What is the upside of chasing your QBs away? Unless Spav has 3 xfer QBs locked up and on their way, this conversation would never happen.
The more likely scenario is that Wilcox knew they were both leaving weeks ago and tried his best to spin his presser into the perspective that Rugbear is laying
Why would Milner leave after Plummer left? There are only 130 FBS teams out there (65 p5), and only one QB plays at a time. Hard to find a better situation to get playing time than being the number 2 after the starter leaves. Plummer is different because he has options. Milner is pretty untested and it would be hard for him to walk into a new camp and beat out QBs that are likely better than Mendoza and Johnson unless he drops a level. The more likely explanation is Spav doesn't see Milner being the heir and is hitting the portal hard.
I posted the same before seeing your post here. Like I said, if we are going to speculate, we should assume that JW had an honest conversation about the type of QB that would fit the new scheme and the prospect of seeking a transfer that fit the scheme better. Why would we not give JW the benefit of the doubt on this? Say what you want about JWs record, the dude oozes integrity and is not going to lead on his QBS. Let's assume Spav and Wilcox sat Millner down and indicated that Millner's future is looking bright in the new scheme, that he is the heir apparent for QB-1. You think Millner's reaction is to jump into the portal to face an even more uncertain prospect somewhere else? Use your brain people. This just doesn't make sense.
Spav and Wilcox sat Millner down and indicated they are still working on getting OLine talent but please be patient. Millner left because nothing materialized yet and he would rather not get a career ending injury, despite the opportunity to be QB1
And this is why they are inviting in a guy from a 4-8 team from a lousy conference and with mediocre stats to potentially be the next face of Cal quarterbacking? I pray to God they have something better up their sleeve.
If he has talent, why not? His team record & conference don't matter if he's really good. And his stats aren't mediocre, they're pretty good - and they took a hit in the Texas & Alabama games when his line was overwhelmed, so he'd be even better surrounded by D-1 players. 247 says 10% of his incompletions were drops. Knock that down to 5% and his completion percentage is in the 70's. Spav saw him close up in a live game. If he liked what he saw, that's 10x better than watching tape. He could be the guy.
I am extremely skeptical of a guy who completed less than 50% of his passes at the JC level. But I agree that the next Cal QB will need mobility. The key question will be his accuracy while moving out of the pocket and throwing on the run. I still maintain that Cal should be able to do better with the receiver talent they have returning. Let's just pause for a moment and remember the conference QB names Cal will be competing against next year.....Caleb Williams....Jayden DeLaura....Michael Penix....Bo Nix....Cam Ward....and perhaps the number 3 overall recruit in the nation at UCLA in Dante Moore. I think that explains why a dude from UM might seem a little underwhelming.
But, let's not forget - they 1) have to want to come here & 2) have to be academically qualified. Often these sort of 5* talents don't qualify, plus are expecting to play at the next level and therefore 3) want to be surrounded by the best supporting cast available to them.
But mostly they each had specific reasons why they chose as they did: Caleb followed Lincoln Riley for the system he knew & the surrounding talent. Jayden was heavily recruited by UA out of high school, was the 1st call he received when he entered the portal, and had revenge on his mind (against his former team who brought in Cam to replace him and against Leach who had abandoned him). Michael came to UW to re-unite with DeBoer, his former OC. Cam followed his HC to WSU to be his OC. Cal was never on any of these player's lists. And sorry, we're not getting a Heisman QB.
You get in the game cold, throw two touchdowns in the game against an national rank team and your not ready? What are you talking about? Plummer eyes reminded me of deer eyes in cross hairs....:)
Its been seven years and Wilcox (Knowlton) still can't figure it out on the offensive side of the ball. I am getting to the point of DONE. As the saying goes "if you don't have anything to say positive don't say anything at all".
As I said before I’m done with Cal Athletics and any money I contribute but that doesn’t mean I can’t lurk this site and lol at the cultish apathy for a man who along with Knowlton has managed to clown fuck one of only a handful of universities with a natty in football, basketball, baseball (albeit one sitting smack dab in the middle of the number 1 recruiting hot bed in the world) into absolute oblivion…
-Cal doesn’t hire Taylor for half of Wilcox salary ya’lls response = “Taylor hasn’t proven himself like Wilcox cuz Wilcox turned down oregon job” did he thought? Was he really offered it?
-Half our returning depth xfer ya’lls response is “good luck to them we’re rebuilding” it’s year seven brosef? What the serious f are you talking about?
-Mark Fox goes 1-11 ya’lls response is “oh well we’re powerless to do anything about it”
-Our best hope at qb is xfering and ya’lls response is “he would have succeeded in spavital’s system…in spav we trust”
Wake the f up and look in the mirror. Literally everyone else is laughing at us. It doesn’t have to be this way.
Fire Knowlton. Mozilla. And above all else fire Wilcox.
All we can do is continue to email the chancellors office and make it known no money will be given to the athletic department with Knowlton at the helm.
I want to withhold judgment to see how it all shakes out, but this makes me sad. I thought Kai had the mobility and accuracy we wanted to at least be a steady #2. But Spavital is no slouch when it comes to QB coaching and recruiting, so I think we have to trust his call on this. If he went all out to keep Kai, I'm certain Kai would have stayed. That he didn't go all out to keep him, means he truly believes we can do better. All any of us will care about in the end is the results. Let's not twist ourselves around the axle too much until we see what shows up on the field. Best wishes to Kai in all things.
If Kai had already decided to leave, an OC 'going all out' wouldn't change his mind. There are a hundred reasons a kid might want to transfer, and we don't know what Kai's reasons were.
Agree with the sentiment. This is bad. I hate it. It's a layer of Cal incompetence on top of the implosion of the college football free agency. While I fully support players having the freedom to move around as much as the coaches, I am curious about what was said behind the scenes. Seems Millner would have been a solid fit for the Spav offense. Anyone have any insight here?
Exact same questions here. Maybe Millner has something lined up, but it seems strange to me that he’s walking away from the chance to run Spav’s offense. Unless spav has already made up his mind about someone else.
I've always been frustrated with Cal teams going the full half-measure. If nothing else, these changes are indicating that Wilcox has turned the offense completely over to Spavital, all of the chips are bring pushed in to the center of the table, and it's game on.
At least if this turns out to be a failure, it will be a spectacular one, and there will be a new coach next year anyway. But it's very telling that risk-averse Wilcox appears to be anything but right now.
How in God’s name would Spav know he didn’t want Millner in his QB room? Has never seen him play, no real college tape to go on, has never run a practice with the guy. You want more talent not less in the QB room. I see no positive spin here whatsoever.
Yeah but why would Spavital want Kai out? He's the best QB on the roster. Even if he plans on bringing someone in with transfer, he would want competition at least.
I don't think Kai fits his system. Kai has three years of eligibility and wants to compete for the starting job now. That was not going to happen in Spav's system.
Wooing a portal quarterback who had a 4-8 record in a lousy conference and who threw for 15 td's and 7 picks is not taking a big risk. I call it settling. The bigger risk would have been finding an O coordinator who could have convinced Millner to stay and compete for the starting job.
Wilcox' refusal to give Millner more snaps last season when it was already obvious Cal was headed for a bad losing season is further proof of his incompetence as a head coach. I am guessing he was thinking if he could just secure a Big Game win he could stick around at Cal as long as he wanted. Well, I guess that's true. There is an old saying that people get they government they deserve. Cal fans are getting the Wilcox they deserve.
This is worse than Plummer leaving. Hard not to think it would have been preventable with more snaps. JW’s insistence on giving all snaps to Plummer even in games that were out of hand or where Plummer was hurt and/or struggling was frustrating at the time and mind boggling now.
What about the 6'5" freshman from Miami who was highly recruited and decided on Cal. He looked very accurate in drills and is pretty mobile. "Coach him up"!! His name is Mendoza.
Yeah......and the QB dude Cal is courting from Louisiana Monroe played on a 4-8 team and had very middlin stats. I noticed that LM played Texas State last year, which is probably why Spavital contacted him.
From Kai’s POV, he lost the starting job last year to a random transfer guy (who is now transferring again, lol). Now we are talking to another transfer… He is probably just frustrated by that, feels the rug will be pulled out from under him again. All of which is, quite obviously, a giant personnel management failure by the coaching staff.
So that he can become another random transfer QB himself?
I don’t think it is a move that makes sense for Kai, but I have no real knowledge of his situation. Just saying that from the outside looking in I could see how he would be frustrated. And managing that frustration is obviously the job of the coaching staff, which seems to have shat the bed here
Yeah I can see the frustration. If he's really good, he can be a starter somewhere and hopefully he will be successful. Although if he is too successful, we will feel pretty miserable too.
I do not have the football IQ of others on here, but scoring the immobile back up QB from Purdue, a bottom tier Big Ten team, is not exactly a recruiting coup. He was fine, but nothing special, if we are being honest
That dude is Brandon Mcllwain 2.0…
Better than Grover!
From Sesame Street? XD
This entire narrative here is inaccurate.
How so?
That’s illuminating.
And now after 6 years Wilcox is going back to the OC on staff prior to his hire that was successfully creating a potent offense? Wilcox is an idiot when it comes to offense. Last 2 hires were horrid, including the ancient pro set Musgrave offense. So now is a version of the Air Raid coming back. Maybe hire Hal Mumme as a consultant?
Cal fans do not have the authority to fire Wilcox and hire a new HC. Same goes for our idiot AD.
Wilcox has completely mismanaged the OL and the QB positions at Cal.
Luckily, Wilcox finally made a good hire at OC. I trust Spav a lot more than Wilcox to fix this situation.
All I want for Christmas is Justyn Martin.
Bring him home Pawl.
Why? He's a 4 start athlete, but completely untested and unproven as a QB. That was in his evaluation. Any team taking him was betting they could coach him up and not that his experience was worth something.
I fell in love with his tape. He would be the best athlete we've ever had at the position. I also would prefer for us us to grow someone in the position rather than go with a series of one-year rentals.
Got it and I respect your opinion. I agree with the comment about one year rentals as well. The question is would he be ready to play next year? Thoughts? I imagine with UCLA loading up on QB's he may start thinking about transferring, but would he need to wait a year here before having a chance to get on the field?
Impossible for me to say. I would hope so. It seems to me we have but two roads to pursue: Take a rental or begin to develop someone on the job. The latter poses short-term risks, but Wilcox is not going anywhere for awhile (regardless of whether folks here think he should or shouldn't. It's the way of the world at Cal these days). Now is his opportunity to pursue that longer-game route if he chooses to take it.
How about both? How about a solid transfer with a year of eligibility and a kid like Justyn Martin who could then take a year to learn the system before getting thrown into the fire? Btw, listening to an interview with Clint Cosgrove of Rivals and JW. JW has some interesting comments that make a lot of sense. The Portal has changed the game and he gets it. Btw, just read an article about Chandler Rogers...they are saying he could be the next RGlll. Also, Baylor has eyes on him and Hudson Card from Texas.
lol rogers is Brand M at best.
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, Kai seemed destined to excel in the new offense. While he's not Lamar Jackson, he has a terrific arm and to my eye he looked to be more mobile than Chase Garbers, which would have been enough to run a modern offense. On the other hand, defense (duh) and offensive lines win championships (See Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams). Kai waited a few days, didn't see any help arriving for the OL, and decided he'd have a better chance to win/stay alive if a school were to come calling that has a solid OL. Can't fault him. For those suggesting the coaches didn't want him or chased him away, phooey.
Milner does not have a terrific arm (the drop off in velocity from Plummer to Milner is stark) and he is not more mobile than Garbers (rushed for over 1k yards in his Cal career). I would like him to stay, but this smells a lot more like Spav is hitting the portal.
I don't think Millner is a special QB but we do need a starter and a backup. Not sure we'll find both in the portal in the same year. At least not better than transfer and Kai battling it out.
You must have seen a different Millner than I did. I actually thought he was throwing too hard on some of his throws, but the wr's held on. And who's to say Millner wouldn't run for 2k?
This is false regarding Kai not seeing OL help coming in. Cardwell committed and signed knowing how deficient the OL is but trusted the staff’s plan to address it. Saying Kai bolted bc of this is misleading at best.
Obviously I don't know what's in his head. But putting myself in his shoes, I could easily come to that decision, seeing how the help isn't arriving (and watching Plummer get beat up all season). And I'm sure the staff has been addressing it for many seasons now, and there's no guarantee they'll be successful this time around. As a QB, it's smarter to play for a team who already has the OL in school and on the roster, than some dreamed-of OL that may or may not materialize.
Milner is not a fit for Spav’s offense. Rob’s practice reports constantly mentioned how inaccurate Milner was. Spav needs a QB who can consistently hit the quick passes.
Maybe he's an Elway-type: off in practice but on in games. I didn't see him miss a throw in his limited time on the field.
The portal is ruining college athletics. 18-y-olds are eating up schollys and pledging loyalty and then jumping ship. This is the tail wagging the dog. RIP loyalty and tradition. 🙏
I think right now the portal is new. There is not a lot of evidence built up yet about the downside of transferring. It seems like all upside. I think with time that evidence will build and it will cool a little. However I agree with the concept that kids should be able to transfer and play freely. What interest do we have in preventing them from doing so? It is their life, and it seems odd to prohibit athletes from doing something that other kids can freely do just because they are undertaking unpaid labor for the school’s benefit
They should be able to transfer freely but should have kept the sit one year rule. Or at least play immediately only once.
Funny, I thought the portal only gives one free immediate play (though the NCAA may start giving out exceptions like candy... and the grad transfers are even looser ). Also, taking a transfer means the school commits to keeping them on scholly through their eligibility. As much chaos has has been created, there will be some more stability as these scholarship numbers get eaten up after a couple of years of transfers... It won't necessarily be better but it will evolve...
Probably not good news.
I sort of don't like the rent-a-quarterback-for-the-season thing.
Two years of practice and coaching and then foregoing the Cal degree seems especially disappointing.
Unfortunately, where a college degree is from appears to be increasingly the last consideration for these college hopping players.
It's not that relevant in the real world anyway nowadays.
Eh? You think a college degree is not important in the real world? The country is stratifying / class status ossifying, exactly along educational lines. Look up the difference in lifetime earnings between college and non college grads, it is huge.
I don't know. I have my own business and do fairly well. It has nothing to do with my undergrad study. But I do have a degree from Cal. Not sure if I ever needed one though.
I respectfully disagree - you, like me, have 'intangibles' that were honed in us by professors who were more devoted to research and/or publishing than to spend any time working on becoming good instructors. The benefits of having to fend for ourselves, enlist the help of others, learn to investigate, to ingest and really understand very complex ideas has paid tremendous benefits in my and I suspect your careers. I only had a handful of instructors who were actually good teachers.
Yeah, that was also my point as well. That's what comes with going to a 4 year university. It's the work ethics, dedication, learning, etc. But if you are able to do that in college, you could probably do that, learn and excel at your work too. You already have that in you. Anyone that was good enough to get a degree from one of the top institutions in the world can be successful at most things in life.
I think we are getting so off topic. lol
Are u in the service industry? Plumber, carpenter, landscape or drywall specialist?
No, I have a consulting business in the dairy industry. ;)
I can't officially speak for Just, but as I read that post... the comment is not that a degree does not matter only that WHERE the degree is from does not matter much...
personally I think where only matters much depending on one's career path and i doubt that is going to be a big issue for most serious college football players...
Thanks, yeah that was the original intent when I said "not that relevant", in which I responded to "where a college degree is from"
As for the degree itself, I think the difference in lifetime earnings of college graduates and those who are not has more to do with the person himself (work ethics, resources, upbringing, financials. etc.) than the degree itself, although I agree there are many jobs that require a degree and it opens up to far more opportunities.
Ah I see, my mistake. I do think where a degree is from matters - in particular for your first job
Where your degree comes from opens up doors. A Top 20 degree pays more than a run of the mill degree from Nowhere State. Same thing holds for business and law degrees. A degree from a Top 5 University or maybe Cal (Top Public) offers many more lucrative career options or scholarly career options as well (if you want to be an academic).
Especially for football players who will have plenty of alumni from any school they attend ready to help land a job.
So more schools the better
JT Daniels will be the most successful player ever.
What about all the connections you make during recruiting process? Like only committing instead of actually attending? Jordan Payton might be just as successful.
Hah, I doubt it. Imagine you are an employer. You get a resume of a young kid who is just out of school, and on the educational part it lists like 5 colleges. You are going to be excited about investing company resources in someone with a demonstrated willingness to hop around with such frequency? I doubt it.
How is that different from the tech world where someone who is 25 has 10 jobs on their resume already?
That comment was meant to be sarcasm.
I certainly hope we have the inside track on a transfer QB because we're otherwise in trouble. Thought Kai could shine in the new offense.
This is disappointing. He seemed to have real potential (albeit from a small sample size) now we likely need two QBs from the portal. Another reason to miss "the good ole days" when people stuck around for four, or five, years.
Hinder was probably the last guy to stick around for 4~5 years and he was a lifetime backup. And he even had Alabama offer. Would never happen in current system.
Everyone remain calm and watch the JW presser. He is clear that they will be revamping the offense and schemes entirely, which we knew would occur having Spav as OC, and that they want to run RPO and have a dual threat QB. JW is a man of integrity and this pattern fits. If we are going to speculate, we should assume that JW, a man of impeccable integrity, was up front with both Millner and Plummer and probably told both of them that while they'd like to keep them around, they are actively seeking a transfer that fits the scheme better.
I'm a Wilcox supporter and me handle is from back in the day when Wilcox was hired but WFC had more responses on some taco joint in Berkeley than the new coach. So, atm I'm falling on my sword. Integrity is good, fire is good.
What Wilcox lacks, which I did not know about him, is the ability to recognize problems early and have the character to CHANGE immediately. Wilcox has made some very poor choices in hires: Baldwin, Greatwood, Angus, Musgrave & probably the S&C coach and he is reluctant and/or incapable to see his mistakes in due order. Great leaders recognize their failures quickly and act upon it. Wilcox does not appear to have that trait ~ albeit he is trying now in year 6!!
That was likely with Plummer. Not as convinced that's the case with Kai though time will tell. I do agree Wilcox has integrity but am less convinced he has the situation under control.
I expected this after Wilcox's presser yesterday. It's clear that the coaches don't think Milner is ready or has what it takes to assume the starting role. I also expect Spav had a big say in this. Spav is going to want dual threat QB's and Plummer is definitely not that and Milner is borderline. They probably sat down with both QB's and told them the direction of the program and the offense and that they would be seeking to find one or more DT QB's and both Plummer and Milner saw the writing on the wall. I wish them both the best.
I don't believe this for a second. What is the upside of chasing your QBs away? Unless Spav has 3 xfer QBs locked up and on their way, this conversation would never happen.
The more likely scenario is that Wilcox knew they were both leaving weeks ago and tried his best to spin his presser into the perspective that Rugbear is laying
Why would Milner leave after Plummer left? There are only 130 FBS teams out there (65 p5), and only one QB plays at a time. Hard to find a better situation to get playing time than being the number 2 after the starter leaves. Plummer is different because he has options. Milner is pretty untested and it would be hard for him to walk into a new camp and beat out QBs that are likely better than Mendoza and Johnson unless he drops a level. The more likely explanation is Spav doesn't see Milner being the heir and is hitting the portal hard.
I posted the same before seeing your post here. Like I said, if we are going to speculate, we should assume that JW had an honest conversation about the type of QB that would fit the new scheme and the prospect of seeking a transfer that fit the scheme better. Why would we not give JW the benefit of the doubt on this? Say what you want about JWs record, the dude oozes integrity and is not going to lead on his QBS. Let's assume Spav and Wilcox sat Millner down and indicated that Millner's future is looking bright in the new scheme, that he is the heir apparent for QB-1. You think Millner's reaction is to jump into the portal to face an even more uncertain prospect somewhere else? Use your brain people. This just doesn't make sense.
Spav and Wilcox sat Millner down and indicated they are still working on getting OLine talent but please be patient. Millner left because nothing materialized yet and he would rather not get a career ending injury, despite the opportunity to be QB1
And this is why they are inviting in a guy from a 4-8 team from a lousy conference and with mediocre stats to potentially be the next face of Cal quarterbacking? I pray to God they have something better up their sleeve.
If he has talent, why not? His team record & conference don't matter if he's really good. And his stats aren't mediocre, they're pretty good - and they took a hit in the Texas & Alabama games when his line was overwhelmed, so he'd be even better surrounded by D-1 players. 247 says 10% of his incompletions were drops. Knock that down to 5% and his completion percentage is in the 70's. Spav saw him close up in a live game. If he liked what he saw, that's 10x better than watching tape. He could be the guy.
I am extremely skeptical of a guy who completed less than 50% of his passes at the JC level. But I agree that the next Cal QB will need mobility. The key question will be his accuracy while moving out of the pocket and throwing on the run. I still maintain that Cal should be able to do better with the receiver talent they have returning. Let's just pause for a moment and remember the conference QB names Cal will be competing against next year.....Caleb Williams....Jayden DeLaura....Michael Penix....Bo Nix....Cam Ward....and perhaps the number 3 overall recruit in the nation at UCLA in Dante Moore. I think that explains why a dude from UM might seem a little underwhelming.
But, let's not forget - they 1) have to want to come here & 2) have to be academically qualified. Often these sort of 5* talents don't qualify, plus are expecting to play at the next level and therefore 3) want to be surrounded by the best supporting cast available to them.
But mostly they each had specific reasons why they chose as they did: Caleb followed Lincoln Riley for the system he knew & the surrounding talent. Jayden was heavily recruited by UA out of high school, was the 1st call he received when he entered the portal, and had revenge on his mind (against his former team who brought in Cam to replace him and against Leach who had abandoned him). Michael came to UW to re-unite with DeBoer, his former OC. Cam followed his HC to WSU to be his OC. Cal was never on any of these player's lists. And sorry, we're not getting a Heisman QB.
You get in the game cold, throw two touchdowns in the game against an national rank team and your not ready? What are you talking about? Plummer eyes reminded me of deer eyes in cross hairs....:)
And you think Davis Webb was outwardly mobile enough for Spav his first time around?
Webb was playing in a pure pass Air Raid, whereas I've been reading that Spav is more interested in implementing a run game this time around.
Nahhh I wanted curly fries to lead this team….
This is a sad day folks.
Not good news for the Bears
Its been seven years and Wilcox (Knowlton) still can't figure it out on the offensive side of the ball. I am getting to the point of DONE. As the saying goes "if you don't have anything to say positive don't say anything at all".
As I said before I’m done with Cal Athletics and any money I contribute but that doesn’t mean I can’t lurk this site and lol at the cultish apathy for a man who along with Knowlton has managed to clown fuck one of only a handful of universities with a natty in football, basketball, baseball (albeit one sitting smack dab in the middle of the number 1 recruiting hot bed in the world) into absolute oblivion…
-Cal doesn’t hire Taylor for half of Wilcox salary ya’lls response = “Taylor hasn’t proven himself like Wilcox cuz Wilcox turned down oregon job” did he thought? Was he really offered it?
-Half our returning depth xfer ya’lls response is “good luck to them we’re rebuilding” it’s year seven brosef? What the serious f are you talking about?
-Mark Fox goes 1-11 ya’lls response is “oh well we’re powerless to do anything about it”
-Our best hope at qb is xfering and ya’lls response is “he would have succeeded in spavital’s system…in spav we trust”
Wake the f up and look in the mirror. Literally everyone else is laughing at us. It doesn’t have to be this way.
Fire Knowlton. Mozilla. And above all else fire Wilcox.
You are an idiot. We are clearly not happy about it. We also don't have any power to do anything about it either.
All we can do is continue to email the chancellors office and make it known no money will be given to the athletic department with Knowlton at the helm.
None of us are happy with either of this. But also none of us have tens of millions laying around and neither does the AD or a the athletics dept.
I want to withhold judgment to see how it all shakes out, but this makes me sad. I thought Kai had the mobility and accuracy we wanted to at least be a steady #2. But Spavital is no slouch when it comes to QB coaching and recruiting, so I think we have to trust his call on this. If he went all out to keep Kai, I'm certain Kai would have stayed. That he didn't go all out to keep him, means he truly believes we can do better. All any of us will care about in the end is the results. Let's not twist ourselves around the axle too much until we see what shows up on the field. Best wishes to Kai in all things.
If Kai had already decided to leave, an OC 'going all out' wouldn't change his mind. There are a hundred reasons a kid might want to transfer, and we don't know what Kai's reasons were.
Agree with the sentiment. This is bad. I hate it. It's a layer of Cal incompetence on top of the implosion of the college football free agency. While I fully support players having the freedom to move around as much as the coaches, I am curious about what was said behind the scenes. Seems Millner would have been a solid fit for the Spav offense. Anyone have any insight here?
Exact same questions here. Maybe Millner has something lined up, but it seems strange to me that he’s walking away from the chance to run Spav’s offense. Unless spav has already made up his mind about someone else.
No, but I agree; thot Millner would be thrilled w Spavital coming in.
I've always been frustrated with Cal teams going the full half-measure. If nothing else, these changes are indicating that Wilcox has turned the offense completely over to Spavital, all of the chips are bring pushed in to the center of the table, and it's game on.
At least if this turns out to be a failure, it will be a spectacular one, and there will be a new coach next year anyway. But it's very telling that risk-averse Wilcox appears to be anything but right now.
How in God’s name would Spav know he didn’t want Millner in his QB room? Has never seen him play, no real college tape to go on, has never run a practice with the guy. You want more talent not less in the QB room. I see no positive spin here whatsoever.
Wouldn’t even want him as a backup QB?
I'm sure CAL would keep Kai as a back-up, but Kai does not want to be a back up, he wants to start.
If I’m spavital, I wouldn’t have come aboard unless I had full control of offensive personnel, scheme and play-calling
Yeah but why would Spavital want Kai out? He's the best QB on the roster. Even if he plans on bringing someone in with transfer, he would want competition at least.
I don’t think Spav wanted him out, I think Kai just wanted out.
I don't think Kai fits his system. Kai has three years of eligibility and wants to compete for the starting job now. That was not going to happen in Spav's system.
Wooing a portal quarterback who had a 4-8 record in a lousy conference and who threw for 15 td's and 7 picks is not taking a big risk. I call it settling. The bigger risk would have been finding an O coordinator who could have convinced Millner to stay and compete for the starting job.
Great take. This is def not the Wilcox conservatism we are used to.
New OC. New Nike Unis. New Stadium Sponsor. New QB.
Dare to Dream?
On the Titanic, there were lots of people dreaming of having enough lifeboats.
Wow. Found the grinch :(
Would love to be proved wrong
Looks like we are either going bowling or looking to repeat this season's MBB performance...