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how can it get from wilcox level to this sad state. whatta waste. if tosh n his crew doesn't get canned cal football will end up in the dumps for the next few yrs. might as well close shop whats the point of watching loser football
I saved my Saturday and avoided emotional damage by not watching the game today, but clearly this is a bad coaching staff. Up 20-17 at half, only to lose 59-20 means coaching adjustments by SMU and none by Cal. As noted elsewhere, this program is now a disaster of Chernobyl proportions. Going to watch the post game presser to see if Tosh has any idea about what is going on...
"After some early struggles during the season, Saban stripped Lupoi of defensive play-calling responsibilities and handed them over to co-defensive coordinator Pete Golding, according to sources. Saban had poached Golding from UT-San Antonio in the offseason in part to alleviate concerns about Lupoi’s inexperience with the secondary and as a play-caller. Still, word is Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn’t totally grasp situational play-calling. While he was still heavily involved in the defensive game-planning, there was no question Golding taking over play-calling represented a demotion of sorts for Lupoi barely into the start of his defensive coordinator stint."
Much of the narrative concerning Tosh's coaching history has been laundered. Saban brought him on to recruit and quickly yanked any meaningful responsibilities beyond that. Likely a very similar scenario at Oregon.
“Overwhelmed.” The clues were in plain sight. Tosh’s house of cards, where shady recruiting masqueraded as football acumen, has finally collapsed. And we're the ones staring at the ruins.
Personally, the reason this season is more painful than usual is I fell for the hype. I worried about the hype around the UCLA game, but I could brush that off as typical rivalry trash talk.
I will still support the Bears. I will come for the Cal Band, Mic Men, Song Girls, Cheerleaders, & Rally Comm. I'll come to cheer & sing & shake my head with my peeps. I've been doing this for 50 years & I'm not going to stop. However, I will manage my expectations.
the parallels with the Deshaun Foster hire in LA are uncanny - but Lupoi is a lot less sympathetic of a character. Totally outcoached. The worst thing for Tosh is that the first half proved there are actually pieces to be competitive. At this point, most of us didnt even care if we won, just keep it competitive - then maybe we could try to be patient... as bad as we are in the 1st half, we are a disaster in the 2nd... TOTALLY and utterly just out-coached from the half over and over. No excuses.
They have no choice considering it’s 3..2..1 until donors who weren’t part of the syndicate of Tosh or else start asking “What did they know & when did they know it” bc no way this chaotic vaudeville amateur coaching hour shit show wasn’t already apparent at the same time they were pushing Cignetti style turnaround to induce donors to open zee wallets.
We’re bad at literally everything. Not even mediocre, straight up bad. We can’t hit a long field goal, flip the field with a good punt, win in the trenches, tackle, cover, run the ball, get open downfield, play with discipline, make adjustments, etc. etc.
There isn’t one single thing you can point to and say “at least there’s that”. This is an awful, awful football team.
Today’s loss means that for the sixteenth consecutive season, excluding the COVID-shortened 2020 season, California will fail to win eight regular-season games. It also means that for the seventeenth consecutive season, excluding 2020, the Bears will lose at least five games. This is a historically bad run for a program that has been generally bad or mediocre for most of the past seventy-five years.
You listen to these.commentators post game. It's clear we are s oo oembarrasing, they don't even know what to say. We are the team that opponents can run up record against. Not sure what's past embarrassment of this level.
Seriously, Lupoi wears that headset and I dont think I have EVER seen his mouth move. This is bad guys. maybe there is some Stockholm syndrome making a few of us think this could still work out, but this is really just a total train wreck of a hire.
What's more plausible is that this is a case of idiocy brought on by the 2011 collapse that happened after Lupoi left Tedford in the lurch.
The very next season, some Cal fans were openly campaigning to hire Lupoi as the next head coach, so enamored were they of his recruiting prowess.
I didn't take names or prisoners, but believe me when I say hubris comes in many shapes and sizes. The pro-Tosh crowd will never own this, and so it will fester.
the best indication of how good your coaching staff is: how you come out in the 2nd half, how you've adjusted. Somehow I imagine half time was a bunch of garbled buzzwords like effort, awesome, fight, more, ACC-battle, and power.
I’m confident that there is a 0% chance this team will ever be competitive with this coaching staff. I don’t care if you can’t afford a legitimate replacement, just hire some guy out of a local high school who is happy to be here or something, because what the fuck man
RR won't do anything because it will reflect poorly on his judgement to bless the hire of Tosh. Again, we spent $30m on NIL talent, hired a first time HC who hired first time OC & DC and a significant coaching staff. We could have given that money to Wilcox and had a better team and more wins. Or, we could have hired someone like Bob Chesney. UFB.
Not sure what these two really bad losses and a losing record mean for Cal in the ACC, but there's movement out indicated by some schools like Miami based on the low level of competition in football. Doesn't look good for the Bears.
What I’m seeing from the defense is 100% man. When teams like SMU and Wake Forest ,who motion a lot in their offenses, it puts us at a significant disadvantage because our players do not communicate correctly. We need to play more zone against teams like this, but our DC and our head coach refuse to do so and it’s infuriating
Yeah, I mean definitely not gonna be upset about losing the SMU. But our second half effort was pretty horrendous, including the offense and JKS. Shouldn’t have lost this bad
Fire Tosh now. And Ron. That we gave a 20mm+ guarantee for this nonsense I a financial crime and mismangement. Why the eff.would be guce a 5yr contract to an unproven trash coach. That is mismanagement aincompetence.Didnt any of these folols learn anything from a decade with Wilocox incompetence. 3yr contracts with huge incentives is what u need to do. 25yrs fan. And now I'm done.
I don’t understand how anybody who has ever spent more than 5 minutes speaking to Tosh came away impressed with him. Every time he opens his mouth he sounds like a dude who has never had a competent thought enter his head before, and his coaching is reflective of that.
"Certain things have come to light, and uh, we're trying to put people in the best position to execute, right, has it ever occurred to you, right, that given the nature of all this, that, right, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, right, you know, right, not just such a simple, but uh--you know, right?"
Sorry, putting Wilcox in the same category as Lupoi is just wrong. There is no way we'd be losing this bad with the given talent on this team. Not saying he should have stayed any longer at all, but both these in-game decisions and non-decisions/adjustments by Lupoi make Wilcox look both more intelligent and more mature. Please stop lumping Wilcox into anything Lupoi does.
If Wilcox was given the assistan coach budget Lupoi has and $30m for NIL talent, I can guarantee you we'd be in better shape. By the time this hyped season is over Wilcox will look good in the rear view mirror. We did beat SMU and Louisville last year.
Actually, JW was all business. I met him a few times in person and was fortunate to have some lengthy one on one talks with him. He's a really good dude. Total class, very smart and he knows football. He knew when to keep his mouth shut and never threw a player under the bus.
After last season in which all I seemed to read and think about was moving on from Wilcox I was looking forward to just following the exploits of the football team. Instead we're back to -- quite rightfully -- moaning about bad coaching. The more things change...
I clicked off at the half. That was, I figured, as good as it gets.
how can it get from wilcox level to this sad state. whatta waste. if tosh n his crew doesn't get canned cal football will end up in the dumps for the next few yrs. might as well close shop whats the point of watching loser football
How good would JKS be if he played for Indiana? Are those who think he’ll be in the NFL still feeling confident?
I think he has a chance at a more pro style offense guy. doesn't need to run, but a small amount of escapability would be good.
Not if he keeps throwing sidearm and not recognizing the blitz
I bet on Cal because my friend gave me 38 points. No bueno?
Can you friend please inform us of some other lines he wants to set?
I saved my Saturday and avoided emotional damage by not watching the game today, but clearly this is a bad coaching staff. Up 20-17 at half, only to lose 59-20 means coaching adjustments by SMU and none by Cal. As noted elsewhere, this program is now a disaster of Chernobyl proportions. Going to watch the post game presser to see if Tosh has any idea about what is going on...
Don’t bother. He’s not going to say anything of substance.
Fire Art Howe AND Bob Geren!
I guess Lupoi wasn't kidding when he pulled out that bamboo analogy. Unfortunately, he probably won't be around to see the bamboo sprout in 3 years.
From Al.com, January 17, 2019.
"After some early struggles during the season, Saban stripped Lupoi of defensive play-calling responsibilities and handed them over to co-defensive coordinator Pete Golding, according to sources. Saban had poached Golding from UT-San Antonio in the offseason in part to alleviate concerns about Lupoi’s inexperience with the secondary and as a play-caller. Still, word is Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn’t totally grasp situational play-calling. While he was still heavily involved in the defensive game-planning, there was no question Golding taking over play-calling represented a demotion of sorts for Lupoi barely into the start of his defensive coordinator stint."
Much of the narrative concerning Tosh's coaching history has been laundered. Saban brought him on to recruit and quickly yanked any meaningful responsibilities beyond that. Likely a very similar scenario at Oregon.
Lupoi didn't call plays at Oregon either
Is that established?
“Overwhelmed.” The clues were in plain sight. Tosh’s house of cards, where shady recruiting masqueraded as football acumen, has finally collapsed. And we're the ones staring at the ruins.
Personally, the reason this season is more painful than usual is I fell for the hype. I worried about the hype around the UCLA game, but I could brush that off as typical rivalry trash talk.
I will still support the Bears. I will come for the Cal Band, Mic Men, Song Girls, Cheerleaders, & Rally Comm. I'll come to cheer & sing & shake my head with my peeps. I've been doing this for 50 years & I'm not going to stop. However, I will manage my expectations.
the parallels with the Deshaun Foster hire in LA are uncanny - but Lupoi is a lot less sympathetic of a character. Totally outcoached. The worst thing for Tosh is that the first half proved there are actually pieces to be competitive. At this point, most of us didnt even care if we won, just keep it competitive - then maybe we could try to be patient... as bad as we are in the 1st half, we are a disaster in the 2nd... TOTALLY and utterly just out-coached from the half over and over. No excuses.
Time to cut the cord now so we can prep to get a solid coach right at the end of the season.
They have no choice considering it’s 3..2..1 until donors who weren’t part of the syndicate of Tosh or else start asking “What did they know & when did they know it” bc no way this chaotic vaudeville amateur coaching hour shit show wasn’t already apparent at the same time they were pushing Cignetti style turnaround to induce donors to open zee wallets.
Did SMU bring in ringers for the second half? 🤣
Fire everybody
Fire Tosh.
We’re bad at literally everything. Not even mediocre, straight up bad. We can’t hit a long field goal, flip the field with a good punt, win in the trenches, tackle, cover, run the ball, get open downfield, play with discipline, make adjustments, etc. etc.
There isn’t one single thing you can point to and say “at least there’s that”. This is an awful, awful football team.
we cant even kick it into the end zone on kickoffs consistently. how they have completely overlooked that facet. its not that hard guys.
Well, a good first half at least. The second half, not so much. Even by Tosh standards.
#hire Eck
Today’s loss means that for the sixteenth consecutive season, excluding the COVID-shortened 2020 season, California will fail to win eight regular-season games. It also means that for the seventeenth consecutive season, excluding 2020, the Bears will lose at least five games. This is a historically bad run for a program that has been generally bad or mediocre for most of the past seventy-five years.
Fire meathead.
RR needs to line up a new hire now.
Meathead should replace his DC (whatever his face) with Bob Gregory immediately.
Ron has to go, too. Being a horrible GM was what wrecked his NFL reputation, I’m not sure what we were thinking bringing him on in that role
DC must be fired . He's as bad as Somerville and tosh
You listen to these.commentators post game. It's clear we are s oo oembarrasing, they don't even know what to say. We are the team that opponents can run up record against. Not sure what's past embarrassment of this level.
Seriously, Lupoi wears that headset and I dont think I have EVER seen his mouth move. This is bad guys. maybe there is some Stockholm syndrome making a few of us think this could still work out, but this is really just a total train wreck of a hire.
Tosh is an idiot. No one did their diligence when hiring him obviously. That or the incompetence level goes right to the top.
What's more plausible is that this is a case of idiocy brought on by the 2011 collapse that happened after Lupoi left Tedford in the lurch.
The very next season, some Cal fans were openly campaigning to hire Lupoi as the next head coach, so enamored were they of his recruiting prowess.
I didn't take names or prisoners, but believe me when I say hubris comes in many shapes and sizes. The pro-Tosh crowd will never own this, and so it will fester.
What kind of ointment should I get at CVS, to sooth the festering?
I think Lanning and Saban knew. They said "go for it" and now they are laughing.
Stockholm syndrome, haha
the best indication of how good your coaching staff is: how you come out in the 2nd half, how you've adjusted. Somehow I imagine half time was a bunch of garbled buzzwords like effort, awesome, fight, more, ACC-battle, and power.
Giving up 40-something unanswered isn’t for everybody, but it’s definitely for us.
6 unanswered touchdowns. Relinquished a halftime lead.
Flop 50
Oh no…
We played a good first half and a Wake second half.
At least we held them below 60!!!
You can always look at the bright side of life. ;-)
I’m confident that there is a 0% chance this team will ever be competitive with this coaching staff. I don’t care if you can’t afford a legitimate replacement, just hire some guy out of a local high school who is happy to be here or something, because what the fuck man
Holy fuck. Turned off when it was 45-20. 59??
It’s baaaaaad bad
I'd ask Ron Rivera to do something but since he's disappointed me most with this disaster I now ask you Rich Lyons PLEASE DO SOMETHING!!!
RR won't do anything because it will reflect poorly on his judgement to bless the hire of Tosh. Again, we spent $30m on NIL talent, hired a first time HC who hired first time OC & DC and a significant coaching staff. We could have given that money to Wilcox and had a better team and more wins. Or, we could have hired someone like Bob Chesney. UFB.
Most of the blame should be on Ron. He hired Tosh. And approved all of Toshs mistakes
And I thought Luck was a bad hire at Stanfurd.
We’ve given up exactly 100 points in the last two weeks.
100% disaster dumpster fire train wreck.
I can't decide if the wake forest game was more demoralizing or this SMU game.
This one. That last SMU running TD was beyond humiliation.
Not sure what these two really bad losses and a losing record mean for Cal in the ACC, but there's movement out indicated by some schools like Miami based on the low level of competition in football. Doesn't look good for the Bears.
Our team gave up in the third quarter. 😑
Yep…we thought we won the game…at halftime.
What I’m seeing from the defense is 100% man. When teams like SMU and Wake Forest ,who motion a lot in their offenses, it puts us at a significant disadvantage because our players do not communicate correctly. We need to play more zone against teams like this, but our DC and our head coach refuse to do so and it’s infuriating
Intelligence is the ability to adapt. Out coaches are not intelligent.
Yeah, I mean definitely not gonna be upset about losing the SMU. But our second half effort was pretty horrendous, including the offense and JKS. Shouldn’t have lost this bad
Fire Tosh now. And Ron. That we gave a 20mm+ guarantee for this nonsense I a financial crime and mismangement. Why the eff.would be guce a 5yr contract to an unproven trash coach. That is mismanagement aincompetence.Didnt any of these folols learn anything from a decade with Wilocox incompetence. 3yr contracts with huge incentives is what u need to do. 25yrs fan. And now I'm done.
What's the attendance at this game? anyone catch it?
Wasn’t much. I don’t think they like football in Texas.
I don’t understand how anybody who has ever spent more than 5 minutes speaking to Tosh came away impressed with him. Every time he opens his mouth he sounds like a dude who has never had a competent thought enter his head before, and his coaching is reflective of that.
"Certain things have come to light, and uh, we're trying to put people in the best position to execute, right, has it ever occurred to you, right, that given the nature of all this, that, right, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, right, you know, right, not just such a simple, but uh--you know, right?"
1000%. It's like we need to give IQ tests for the jobs. Wilcox and Tosh could've been prevented.
Sorry, putting Wilcox in the same category as Lupoi is just wrong. There is no way we'd be losing this bad with the given talent on this team. Not saying he should have stayed any longer at all, but both these in-game decisions and non-decisions/adjustments by Lupoi make Wilcox look both more intelligent and more mature. Please stop lumping Wilcox into anything Lupoi does.
If Wilcox was given the assistan coach budget Lupoi has and $30m for NIL talent, I can guarantee you we'd be in better shape. By the time this hyped season is over Wilcox will look good in the rear view mirror. We did beat SMU and Louisville last year.
I thought Wilcox at least sounded somewhat intelligent. Tosh sounds like a rambling meathead
but he's a HAAS grad!!!
Marbles
JW's issue was a severe charisma deficit.
Actually, JW was all business. I met him a few times in person and was fortunate to have some lengthy one on one talks with him. He's a really good dude. Total class, very smart and he knows football. He knew when to keep his mouth shut and never threw a player under the bus.
I’m just sad…
calm down on Kendrick - he's not even a top 3 RB in ACC
These guys have been washing up SMU all game
yeah it's a bit much
Tapping out…go Valk’s!
Just give all the football money to Madsen
The current score looks more like a college basketball score than a football one.
Outcoached with halftime adjustments…
Too bad the game didn't end after 2 quarters. 😩
After last season in which all I seemed to read and think about was moving on from Wilcox I was looking forward to just following the exploits of the football team. Instead we're back to -- quite rightfully -- moaning about bad coaching. The more things change...
Wilcox was below the standard of what this program’s expectations should be, but it’s very obvious that the move we made was an enormous downgrade
This.
Why in the name of Oski do we continue slamming the ball into an 8 man box with a pop warner offensive and a CB playing RB?!?
We belong in the pac12
I don’t even think we’d be competitive in FCS
Soooo. Second half like this completely wipes out a competent first half. Good adjustments though
Just give him a touchdown so we can move on.
I’ve seen girls flag football tackle better
I was a flag football Linebacker and yeah, we tackled better. And harder. #coaching
Anyone wanna form a disciplined capital takeover with a simple Emergency Strategic Turnaround Plan hmu