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Wiata78's avatar

Edit? What is that?

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Wait a minute?!?! Is it just me or do we have an edit button now?!?!

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GoBears49 has entered the chat

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maybe I need to refresh...hell yeah I did...without any time limit. That could get...interesting...

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I don't see it. Using chrome.... OH Wait - now I do! (edit)

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:( not me, what browser are you guys using?

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Firefox

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atoms's avatar

Yeah, I'm not seeing it on chrome

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atoms's avatar

IT HAS ARRIVED

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Safari

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We f*cking do!!!

I just used it!

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atoms's avatar

so it seems

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...or does it?? 😉👼

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atoms's avatar

What ever do you mean? 👼

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Tosh going to Florida with Napier apparently....

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mrjpark's avatar

He never could say no to a boat.

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Peetyjay's avatar

Oracle, gif me "Lupoi on giant yacht wearing alligator-skin boots."

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WilderThanGene's avatar

Immediately thought of that too. The VHS copy we had growing up had an aspect ratio issue for that final nyc scene that made everything narrow so their heads were kind of smushed. For years, I hadnt seen it any other way.

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SGBear's avatar

Zhone Wild Air? Zhone Wild Air? THE Zhone Wild Air?

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Alfonso Arau was one of the more underrated actors of that generation. This role being only second to his El Guapo magnum opus.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Agreed! Love that actor....

Jefe, would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?

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WilderThanGene's avatar

Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

I read your books…I read ALL your books.

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Cugel's avatar

Good

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Cugel's avatar

X-mass trees

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Peetyjay's avatar

For $10, you can get a forest service permit and get lost in the woods with your kids while searching for a tree like I did last week. Our adventure may or may not have involved hitchhiking and tons of embarrassment for someone who prides themselves on not getting lost in the woods. Still, we ended up with an awesome tree and a memorable story that my kids will never forget.

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WilderThanGene's avatar

Did you end up walking in circles, or is that a myth about getting lost in the woods?

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Okay Clark.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Hey Griz, if you're not doing anything constructive, run into the living room and get my stogies...

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Grace? She passed away 30 years ago.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

The bbbblessssssiiinnngggg

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Peetyjay's avatar

Dang...I'm unsure of this reference.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Christmas Vacation, peety

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Peetyjay's avatar

I got it once you made the Griz reference. I haven't seen any of these movies since the eighties and my memory does not retain movies at all.

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When I saw Griz, I thought 30 Rock...EDIT

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Cugel's avatar

haha, you bet they won't, you'll be hearing that story for decades.

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Peetyjay kids next Dec: Daddy, can we go get lost in the woods again?

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Newellbany's avatar

We get the Concolor Fir, which has the big needles and doesn't spark my wife's allergies. Good looking trees.

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So, despite Scootie's warning, there were plenty of trees when I went to get one last weekend. However, the price staggered me at $176 for a 7 foot Noble - but when I went to pay with cash (which it didn't seem like many other customers were paying) - price dropped to $69 (noice!)

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I paid ~$180 for an 8 foot Noble, which seemed a bit more expensive but maybe only $10 or more from last year. God love SF prices but I'm way too lazy to shop around in the burbs for a tree.

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MoriBear's avatar

Just get a box of 44 candles...way cheaper!

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HOLY SMOKES!

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Cugel's avatar

I've $110 for a 9 foot Noble in the past, one we had a tree accident, which let me to downsize a bit.

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PawlOski's avatar

69! Classy!

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Talk about a little Xmas miracle.....

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goldenone's avatar

Mine was $176 at Orchard in Lafayette

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Cugel's avatar

Well, I guess NAS on Alameda would be out of the way for you.

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And I thought I had sticker shock when I paid a record $55 for a 6'+ Noble.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Costco sales a 8 foot Noble for $73.99

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Newellbany's avatar

That dude was pocketing the cash, for sure. Can't pocket a CC payment.

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wow that's a huge CC markup.

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SGBear's avatar

Not a mark-up. That $69 is going in somebody's pocket.

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DC Trojan's avatar

as a former recipient of very generous cash "discounts," that is not my problem.

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Newellbany's avatar

TRUE. It's bad risk management by the proprietor.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Yeah, that’s crazy.

My parents bought a 7 foot Noble for $100

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MoriBear's avatar

the "spirit" of xmas!

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atoms's avatar

Yeah, I hear those things grow on trees

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GoldenSD81's avatar

I always buy mine at Costco the week after Thanksgiving. I get a beautiful 8 foot tree for $43.99.

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Cugel's avatar

Show-off

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Jaguars fire coach Urban Meyer amid season filled with controversy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/12/16/urban-meyer-fired/

My take is that one or both of the following is likely in Urban Meyer's case -

(1) he tried applying his approach to coaching college football to an NFL head coaching job. He failed miserably because NFL culture is very different from major college football culture;

(2) he thought he could adapt to the NFL after going into retirement from college ball and found that the challenge was not what he thought it was.

Discuss.

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OskiOfTarth's avatar

1) sounds like another coach, currently plying his trade at UC Los Angeles

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Oregon, LSU, and ND are regretting their coaching hires now.

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g.oso's avatar

He’s a well known asshole and overall terrible person. A pox on any CFB program that hires this piece of shit

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

I wish him the shingles in my nightly, before-bed prayers...

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DC Trojan's avatar

I cannot tell you how pleased I am that he became "available" after SC hired Riley. A significant minority of SC alums were convinced that only Meyers could provide football nirvana.

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g.oso's avatar

Anybody or any fanbase who willingly looks the other way given Meyers past …ahem transgressions, surely are people towards whom you wish nothing but ill will and hope life starts dealing them a series of shitty hands

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GoldenSD81's avatar

No doubt about that.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Supposedly ND has wanted Urban in the past and Urban, who is Catholic has referred to ND as his “dream job”.

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Scootie's avatar

Go grind on that co-ed, Catholic boy.

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Newellbany's avatar

They all probably thinking they dodged a bullet.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Kelly got a kid killed at ND, so kicking a player is probably acceptable.

LSU would allow Urban to kick a kicker or punter without blinking an eye.

Phil Knight would give Urban custom shoes that have a soft toe so that when he kicks someone it wouldn’t hurt as bad.

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DC Trojan's avatar

well, Meyer probably wouldn't be banging the wives of donors and such, unlike (allegedly) DACOACHO

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clapdoc's avatar

That soft toe will also come loaded with Benjamins for said player.

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Newellbany's avatar

As it turns out, people don't like assholes.

Compare how Steve Kerr consistently deflects praise towards his players to how Urban consistently deflects blame. Who people gonna wanna play for? It's basic leadership stuff.

You can try to be king at the college level and you might get away with it because authority goes less questioned, but not in the league.

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paulie's avatar

College coaches win by amassing talent. It’s a rude awakening in the NFL when the talent gap isn’t enormous.

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Terence's avatar

Urban also won at Bowling Green and Utah . . . so I think he has the ability to be a winning football coach at the college level even without the talent inbalance.

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

while i am sure that all paths as possible, but it seems that vast majority of good NFL coaches are long time NFL assistants that eventually rise up to be head coach.

but i guess it is always tempting to try to take a championship level college coach and see if that might work out as well.

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Eh, I think there is a whole "college coaches cant succeed in the NFL" narrative perpetuated by NFL fans who dislike college football.

And if you want to limit it to coaches who have won a national championship in college first, that's going to be a very small sample size.

I'd be curious to see stats on all college head coaches who immediately became NFL head coaches, and how they compare to the average. My gut says they do fine or better than average.

The bigger story here is that the average tenure of an NFL head coach is 3.2 years (from what I read on the u-googles) -- so just how rare a "good NFL coach" really is.

From that perspective, I think there's a biased and unfair standard for college coaches in the NFL.

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Scootie's avatar

There was a good graphic about it on Twitter last night, would have saved it if I had known y'all were going to be so demanding. :-)

Seemed like most of them (there were maybe around a dozen) were .500 or below. There was one significant outlier in Harbaugh.

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FiatSlug's avatar

Harbaugh went from college to NFL and back to college. He did well in both settings. I think he went back to the college setting because he enjoys it more than the NFL, but that's my perception and it may not be how Harbaugh sees it. Also, the Yorks are craven assholes when it comes to the NFL, so Harbaugh wasn't working for the best employers.

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Cugel's avatar

My son has a theory about him that I agree with: He's too intense, and will burn players out - which won't work long term in the NFL, but with the constant turnover in college, it suits his style better.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

That’s a good theory.

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WilderThanGene's avatar

haha we're a very demanding peoples

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sycasey's avatar

What's the last one that worked out? Pete Carroll?

And of course Carroll also had previous NFL experience.

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

Marv Levy was good. i guess he didnt win a college championship

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WilderThanGene's avatar

If we're going back, Bill Walsh was a college head coach first.

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FiatSlug's avatar

For two whole years before becoming the 49ers HC. Small sample size.

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WilderThanGene's avatar

For example, I think Bill Walsh is basically the equal and opposite example of Nick Saban. Yet one might choose to include Saban but exclude Walsh from the conversation, or vice versa depending on their hypothesis. In my humble opinion, that would indicate some kind of bias, if that were to happen.

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Not sure I buy this argument in that Walsh was an assistant at Cal and Stanford for 6 years before going to the NFL. Walsh would go on to have two more stints in the college ranks, both successful as a HC, but found his greatest success in the NFL with the 49ers, winning three Super Bowls as HC. Walsh also was an assistant in the NFL the same number of years (10) but with more teams (3) than he was a head coach, which was only with the 49ers.

Saban had one stint in the NFL, that lasted two years with Miami. Otherwise he's been a college football lifer.

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Saban was Bill Belichick's defensive coordinator at Cleveland (4 years, not sure if they were all under Bill), and was highly touted by Bill as being a brilliant NFL coach before leaving for college (to Michigan State). Obviously very different careers though. But one could easily exclude Saban as being primarily a "college coach" from that experience.

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FiatSlug's avatar

Ah, yes, I forgot about that. Saban is quoted as describing that experience as "the worst four years of my life". I think that Belichick was also figuring out how to be a successful head coach during that time. When he got to New England, he was ready.

I also think that Saban learned one helluva lot from Belichick during that time, even if he was miserable.

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I have no idea why Saban eventually took that HC job with the Dolphins when he was clearly a college guy. He similarly left the NFL originally to go be the HC Michigan State when the NFL world was his oyster at that time. I think he recognized that mistake after year 2 with the Dolphins, in terms of where his heart was, and that was why he bailed -- not because it was harder than expected. I honestly think he couldve been successful in the NFL if he really wanted to be there. He over performed their first year, and he left them on a 9 game win streak in year 2 (after a horrible start). I also saw interviews with Jason Taylor and other leaders of that Dolphins team who seemed to really respect him and his hard-ass, "demand excellence" mentality.

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sycasey's avatar

Walsh often cited his time as an assistant under Paul Brown with the Bengals as the period that helped define his offensive philosophy. He had plenty of NFL experience before taking over the 49ers.

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FiatSlug's avatar

Indeed, he did. It was that experience that convinced him he was ready to be a head coach. Unfortunately for Cincinnati, Brown passed over Walsh when the head coaching job came open in 1975. Walsh, unhappy, left the Bengals and landed a job as OC for the Chargers. He was in San Diego one year before landing the head coaching job at Stanf*rd, which made him well known to the 49ers when they needed a new head coach in 1979.

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FiatSlug's avatar

Technically, Walsh didn't go to the NFL as an assistant when he first went to the pro ranks. He went to the Raiders when it was still part of the AFL (in 1966).

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WilderThanGene's avatar

small sample size indeed. the problem with the college->nfl coach debate is there are a lot of ways of looking at it, a mixed bag of cohorts, undefined metrics for success in the context of how hard it is for anyone of any walk of life to succeed in the NFL, and either side will pick or choose a couple examples that fit their conclusion.

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Wiata78's avatar

And then he went somewhere else and did something…

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WilderThanGene's avatar

If we're talking about national championship coaches, "when's the last time one worked out?" isn't really a valid question because the mere act of one going to the NFL is so infrequent. It's not like every year or two the national championship coach moves on to the NFL.

2021 Meyer (disaster)

2010 Carroll (..Superbowl)

2004? Saban (..could have been, but wife's heart and his were in college -- fail)

2002 - Spurrier (..fail)

1994 - Barry Switzer (..Superbowl)

1989 - Jimmy Johnson (..Superbowl)

These re so infrequent, but from this list 50% of them won a Superbowl. Only 6% of head coaches all time have won a Superbowl.

Urban Meyer's result is so extreme and so recent that all cognitive biases are going to be working overtime for whoever wants to believe the "college coaches cant succeed in the NFL" narrative. Though I do understand the games are totally different.

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sycasey's avatar

"National championship coaches" is indeed a small list. I'd say this one is skewed by Switzer, who probably doesn't deserve a ton of credit for that team winning a Super Bowl, given they'd already won two before he got there.

And of course Carroll went from the NFL to college and back to the NFL, so is also a different case.

Probably the better metric would be to measure all college coaches going to the NFL vs. promoted NFL assistants. And you'd also want to control for college coaches who had been in the NFL before.

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For sure. I also think the numbers would show just how unsuccessful *most* NFL head coaches are. Considering the churn rate and the short leash. For example, if you took the career Win % of each NFL head coach in modern history, the median Win % is going to be below .500. Data biased towards the high frequency of unsuccessful coaches.

I think successful college coaches just stand out as being "bad" even if theyre historically average in the NFL because they had higher expectations.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Also, what is the inverse. How many NFL head coaches were successful when dropping down to CFB HC?

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Cugel's avatar

I would rephrase that: "college coaches can't succeed in the NFL if they try to coach NFL players like college kids"

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WilderThanGene's avatar

Alternatively, Pete Carroll's "rah rah" type of college mentality worked. So, it's important to consider that there isnt strictly one style of college coaching. Ultimately comes down to the person.

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WilderThanGene's avatar

This for sure. Urban Meyer straight up clowned himself.

However, there is the Bill Belichick (and probably what would have been Nick Saban) type of exception though, in which the coach is demanding, ruthless, and heavy-handed. The difference between that kind of exception and Urban Meyer is probably a matter of class. This guy's simply got no class.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll (he had a lot of NFL experience prior to going to CFB) Barry Switzer, Dennis Green are the only ones I can think of.

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PawlOski's avatar

I would add Harbaugh to that list.

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sycasey's avatar

Had to look it up to be sure, but he also had a stint as an NFL assistant.

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PawlOski's avatar

I didn't know that. Also, Kingsbury?

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FiatSlug's avatar

Harbaugh was the Raiders' QB coach before going to Univ. of San Diego, then to Stanf*rd.

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

Kingsbury is the rare bird that is actually more successful in the NFL than he was in college...

Is it his system or the brilliance of the QB in that system?

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sycasey's avatar

I'd say the jury's still out on how "successful" Kingsbury is. Before this season his record was underwhelming.

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atoms's avatar

I dunno, he's steadily improved every single year. That's a trajectory that inspires more confidence than just "2 meh years and one possible flash in the pan year"

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Jimmy Chitwood's avatar

OK, I'll give you that...

But would you say the jury is still out on how "successful" Kyle Shanahan is, sy?

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sycasey's avatar

Somewhat, yes. Though at least he's been to a Super Bowl.

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atoms's avatar

Also, he's still a young coach, so part of it could just be that he's figuring out how to be good

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WilderThanGene's avatar

NFL head coaching is also *suddenly* an evolving landscape. Sean McVey one of the prime examples. Wiz kids are all of a sudden given the keys to the organization instead of propping up the old coach from behind the scenes. Just as the style of play is changing, particularly with mobile QBs and "college-style" offensive philosophies. I think this is going to inevitably change the mobility and perceived success of college coaches moving to the NFL. Out with the old...

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sycasey's avatar

Jimmy Johnson is probably the best example, yeah. Switzer just took over Johnson's established team and didn't last long. Green had been an NFL assistant before.

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Correct on all accounts. JJ is probably the best example and Switzer just took over JJ’s team and rode that to a SB win.

Green was an assistant but I believe he was never a coordinator at the NFL before becoming the HC at Stanford.

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sycasey's avatar

Right, Green had previously been a position coach only in the NFL. But he did have experience working with NFL players, which seems to be the key here.

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Terence's avatar

Small Talk

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O.Overall's avatar

There is a certain type of attorney that needs to talk through issues with you out loud in your office while you are trying to do other stuff in order to do his job. I get it, but man, I need like a big hourglass on my deak

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SGBear's avatar

One-tenth of an hour. Just ask for the matter number so you can charge your time.

https://www.amazon.com/SWISSELITE-BILOBA-Hourglass-Minutes-seconds/dp/B06XWP6ZPR/ref=sr_1_2

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O.Overall's avatar

I don’t know how we ever get fully away from the billable hour. We do have more alternative fee arrangements now but they are all still directly or indirectly based on the billable hour. I think until a computer program can draft a brief/memo/contract, it will stay.

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MoriBear's avatar

The Firm

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clapdoc's avatar

I think law firms are partially complicit, because one alternative model is a flat rate general services but firms lose out on the extra revenue for billing for larger projects.

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That being said, I think the general consensus is that the billable hour model is a net negative. I know I spend at least an hour a day going over billing for all the little tasks I did the previous day, and that's an hour lost (but revenue saved?) . One of our name partners insists he would be a much better attorney due to having more time to actually practice being an attorney if we did not have the billable hour model.

But as long as it is the industry standard, no firm has the incentive to move away from it.

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SGBear's avatar

We've shifted some outside counsel to fixed rates on specific matters:

1) for low volume procedural legal stuff. It helps reduce administration for outside counsel and - in one case - kept the senior partner and his several thousand dollars per hour fees smashing our budget. I suspects he wants us to fire his firm.

2) different phases of high variability litigation. Shares some upside and downside risk for both firms. Far, far easier to budget using fixed fee.

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O.Overall's avatar

Yeah when I started 15 years ago we had armies of associates doing due diligence or doc review. Some of that has been replaced by software but in large part it is farmed out to low cost providers.

Budgeting is also common, definitely.

Also many clients have legal billing software that dings you for nonsense like having the word “and” in the first three words of a description. It kind of wears you down into accepting random small reductions that probably add up to a lot for the client.

Good times!

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clapdoc's avatar

Very disappointed that sand clocks don't come in 6 minute versions.

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Newellbany's avatar

steal one from a board game

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GoldenSD81's avatar

Talk softly and carry a big stick.

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SGBear's avatar

When I took over responsibilities for the DBD, I studied different forms of small talk as a way to germinate conversation on the DBD. Well, those methods didn't work out and you creatures don't seem to have a problem posting/responding to most topics, no matter how obscure.

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Speaking of DBD, I will be in St. Croix for most of the rest of the year. While St. Croix is actually an hour ahead of Eastern time (so I'll be available to seed topics), I have two early morning scuba dives and several hangovers scheduled. If you're an east coaster and the DBD's pretty blank, please play the part of me and post something stupid.

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Scootie's avatar

oh la-di-da look at you

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DC Trojan's avatar

challenge accepted

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Newellbany's avatar

There might even be a correlation between a topic's inanity and our enthusiasm for it.

Anyways, we're all thrilled to be subjects in your lab, SGB, and thank you for your dedicated service to the DBD.

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Yes, thank you SGBear! And thanks to DBDenizens for being here. May you all have a cozy winter and bright 2022!

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clapdoc's avatar

"When I took over responsibilities for the DBD"

also there.

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

there was that funny TNG episode where everyone was trying to avoid the guy on the space station that was a master of small talk. in the end, it turns out that Data was really good at it too.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starship_Mine_(episode)

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Terence's avatar

DBD Not Official Financial Advice

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goldenone's avatar

Bounce back for S&P 500 and Nasdaq. I still think there might be a significant correction in the near future. Bonds are doing OK.

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OskiOfTarth's avatar

I can't figure bonds, how do you win? Interest rates certain to rise next year, so NAV drops, and your yield is probably locked in for a while unless you're super short term. In a declining interest rate environment, your NAV rises, but yield drops unless you're in the perfect sweet spot as far as term. When's the best time to own what type of bonds?

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SGBear's avatar

You can't win in a bond fund in a rising interest rate environment. An alternative is to buy into individual bonds. However, bond rates are terrible and you can't get compensated for the counter-party risk. Hence, why I don't own bonds.

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Rocksanddirt's avatar

we have a couple of bond funds. Have not put $$ in in years, it just putters along growing based on interest and dividend re-investment. I don't even know what sorts of bonds are in them.

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clapdoc's avatar

That's basically the only reason why I have them. I plan on putting in 50K on two separate funds each (10K each already) over the next few years and then just letting them slowly accumulate interest and re-investment. The whole point will be as a safety net if I need the money before the tax-advantaged accounts kick in and if I want to keep my equity investments growing for a few more years.

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goldenone's avatar

Some folks have more tolerance for NAV variation and want a consistent yield better than cash instruments - for income purposes, and tax exempt munis can fit this niche type of investor.

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OskiOfTarth's avatar

Yes, California Munis seem like the only play that make sense to me. Fixed returns, all your cash back at the end, tax advantaged.

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SGBear's avatar

I own zero bonds or bond funds, apart from some working capital in money market.

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Scootie's avatar

Same. My portfolio is ludicrously aggressive, to the degree that it would give any competent money manager a heart attack, which is why I manage it myself.

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DC Trojan's avatar

just reading this makes me uncomfortable

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clapdoc's avatar

I have California municipal bond funds, with a plan to limit to at most 10% of my entire portfolio.

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atoms's avatar

Personal thank you to all the muni bond investors here

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Cugel's avatar

No worries, it's tax-advantaged.

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atoms's avatar

Also quite safe, depending on the municipality!

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atoms's avatar

(...and the particular credit)

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clapdoc's avatar

How do you invest in Cal munis?

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Cugel's avatar

Though Wells Fargo - not sure if that helps.

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clapdoc's avatar

Funds or individual bonds?

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Cugel's avatar

Funds, I'm 99% sure.

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goldenone's avatar

Most mutual fund companies have California municipal bond funds available. Keep in mind they are not tax exempt for non-California residents.

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clapdoc's avatar

I should have been more clear... I wasn't asking *how* do you invest, but how do *you* invest?

I have the long and intermediate term funds through vanguard.

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You're welcome.

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goldenone's avatar

I have some Cal muni bonds as well. Note that I said "Cal".

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HeyStudentsBears's avatar

my wife was excited last few days as PFE stock has gone bonkers and we have an unhealthy amount if it in our portfolio.

she gets upset at me sometimes in selling all PFE stocks, options, etc as soon as it vests because she thinks it is "good investment"

last 5 yrs

PFE up 89%

S&P 500 up 109%

Amazon up > 400%

i would much rather have the S&P for much lower risk ...

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Terence's avatar

DBD Test Kitchen

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NY Times Cooking had a recipe today that's just how to fry an egg. No tricks, no life hacks. Just crack the egg into the oiled pan and cook until done. Thanks, NY Times Cooking.

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That’s someone filling in for the cooking section, like us filling in for SGBear.

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Last night chewy Udon noddles (from Berkeley Bowl) with a variety of veggies & sesame seeds

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Boneless leg of lamb. Imma stick a bunch of garlic cloves and rosemary on the inside, coat the outside with kosher salt/pepper, and then slow roast it @ 325. Slow roast means garlic doesn't reach burn point. Will keep it suspended on a tray above a bath of water. Serving with Jamie Oliver's roasted potato recipe, fresh made mint-based verde sauce, roasted Granny Smith apples, steamed broccoli, and a giant green salad.

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a good leg of lamb is one of the better things you can eat. certainly one of my favorites

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Corned beef with cabbage and steamed potatoes

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see if a person dressed up as witch weighs more than the duck.

If...she...weighs the same as a duck......she's made of wood.

and therefore...

A Witch!

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What floats. very small pebbles

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She turned me into a newt!

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I got better...

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Eat it.

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Confit.

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Sounds a lot like the way I was taught to do it by my mom. Except she applied a honey & water mixture in stead of maltose/soy mixture to the skin of the duck before hanging.

Yes, I have actually made Peking Duck this way. And no, I'm not well versed in any of the cuisines identified as "Chinese food".

I may have to try making Peking Duck again. The last time was for New Year's Eve over 30 years ago.

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I think that article says to use honey if you can't find maltose.

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DBD AV Club

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Finished the second season of Sex Education, quite enjoyable; almost done with the second season of For All Mankind, which is excellent, but made me think you either have to be old, or super knowledgeable about late 60's-80's American culture and politics to fully appreciate the alternate history they've created.

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For LOTR fans, Stephen Colbert tells us why it's the best Trilly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1dU1HZ_73M

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that was great.

Dumbledore couldn't kill a Balrog .. killed by a HS Chemistry teacher

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Walter White was a HS Chem teacher.

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Ted Lasso fix until season 3 starts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW_qXIHtmTk

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YWC, I finally saw the last two episodes of The Big Leap. Holy crap those were two great episodes. I watched the last one at the gym and good thing I didn't bring any onions to chop, but I almost did...it was close.

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I'm hoping they renew for season 2. It will be interesting to see if they go with a totally different group.

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I posted in yesterday's DBD but I think people missed it with the late timing + excitement of signing day - but I saw the new West Side Story which is currently bombing. If you like movie musicals, and you liked the original, and you're comfortable going to the theater - I highly recommend watching. It was fantastic. I hope Rachel Zegler (Maria) and Anna Dubois (Anita) turn into stars. Mike Faist who plays Riff is also excellent.

The 1961 movie is one of my favorites . . . and I think this improved on a lot of that movie (which is still an absolute classic)

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I remember the first time I watched a complete version of the 1961 one on DVD (not cut-up TV broadcast) - it will never be a particular favorite of mine, but I do recognize it as a great accomplishment.

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I dug it, and I also love the original movie. I hesitate to say which one is "better" since they have different approaches to the material. It improves on some things, and some things it doesn't try to improve on (rightly so).

I'm also not sure how to determine if a movie is "bombing" in this environment. The comic book movies seem to do fine, but everything else is pretty depressed at the box office.

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Getting rid of the brown face is already an improvement.

It's up to 18million after a week . . . needs about 300 million to break even. Hopefully the super positive word of mouth and reviews will give it a long tail, but it's pretty short of doing well.

(They needed this to be about 30 mil over this period to be on target)

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this is on list of things to see

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Roles up coming as a live action Disney princess and something else as well.

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Don't you have to have a beard and a plaid flannel shirt to be invited on?

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Our Crumbling Democracy

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I've been tussling with a land developer who is supposed to be this big environmental land protection guy up at the lake. I've met him dozens of times and I find him to be the least savory environmentalist that I've ever met. I kept thinking to myself, how could this guy be an environmentalist? He clearly only thinks about money, not the environment. Then I read this article this morning and everything snapped into clear view for me.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/20/sinema-democrat-tax-plan-corporations-516364

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You mean that Sinema uses a label as a front (she's supposed to be a Green) when the ultimate objective is to wield power in any way possible?

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Jim Jordan works on contingency? No, money down!

(Alternate headline: "Jim Jordan blames his sedition on a missed period.")

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-rep-jim-jordan-confirms-january-6-panel-released-text-n1286074

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Our rabidly anti-LGBTQ Lt. Governor just banned a graphic novel from our libraries because its subject matter is about a young trans-person. Never mind that the graphic novel section is fucking packed full of heterosexual sex, violence, and terrible things. Has he ever visited the manga/comic section of a library? I just bought a bunch of copy and am sneaking it into the library. It's passive aggressive and not very cost effective way to fight - but I gotta do it.

https://www.wbtw.com/news/book-that-drew-ire-from-north-carolinas-lieutenant-governor-removed-from-wake-county-libraries/

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Librarians gonna snap that dude in half. You don't want to fuck with librarians (I'm married to one). They're ruthless and relentless - they'll murder any attempt at censorship 75 different ways. That book 'bout to be a bestseller.

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No better way to get a song or book to be a best seller than to get it banned.

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Cugel's avatar

Interesting, I had forgotten about that.

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War on Christmas

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Jeremiah 10:1-25

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With their resistance to vaccinations, the right is doing just fine killing Christmas all on their own.

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I have to admit this is kind of evil genius. Just make an issue out of whole cloth and then claim to solve it. My parents believe this is a real thing, and are otherwise reasonable people.

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This made me pqtm

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2021/12/16/republicans-advance-bills-protecting-campus-free-speech-and-banning-teaching-about-racism/

But it’s also the reality of living in a gerrymandered state with all hope of actual representative government squashed.

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Today in Omicron

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Death rates by county based on party registration. This will shock nobody.

https://twitter.com/maolesen/status/1471188829302317056

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Newellbany's avatar

This is very sad.

And from a strictly cynical political perspective, it seems that they're sacrificing their most loyal voters.

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They figure that the increased birth rates from abortion bans will make up for it.

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gerrymandering and anti-majoritarian processes in Congress probably counteract anything up to literal decimation, I suspect

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conversely, it will strengthen the resolve of the surviving ones ..

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that's an interesting point

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FiatSlug's avatar

...and very sad as well as it continues the delusion.

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not that this will surprise anyone, but US passed 800k deaths recently.

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Welp, here we go...wife's sister in Texas now has a ripping case of covid and her pseudo-husband has just gone into the hospital. They both have underlying conditions but of course wouldn't get vaccinated and my wife wants to murder both of them and everyone who has been feeding them lies.

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Last day of quarantine. I've been lucky - pretty mild symptoms that passed quickly. Worst part is that Dr. Ms. Newellbany doesn't let me out of the home office and basement (understandably). Best part is watching all the basketball I want.

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Word on the street is Dr. Ms. Newellbany may seek to make such a living situation permanent as she and the kids have found the daily machine operates much more efficiently.

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goldenone's avatar

Well then you get your own man-cave.

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Exactly. If Newellbany plays his cards right, this can be a win-win for everybody.

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It's like I'm looking in a mirror

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Had the booster on Tuesday, felt very lethargic all day yesterday, better today.

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My strongest reaction was to the regular flu vaccine, was down for 1/2 day. Had 2 day arm soreness for all 4 shots, only felt iffy for a few hours after Moderna shots 1 & 3, nothing after shot 2.

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I did get more tired than usual. Ended up taking a nap around 330. I had taken a couple of ibuprofen beforehand and overheard the nurse tell the guy before me to take Tylenol not Advil. Didn't hear why. But I did read afterwards that they recommend not taking anti-inflammatories before because it could keep the vaccine from working as well.

Welp...I guess we'll see.

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I had to lie down all day as sitting at a chair was taxing. I still followed all the NSD hoopla on my phone and watched Wilcox' presser.

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Klay won't return before Christmas. The Nuggets game on Dec 28th we're going to might be his first game back! It will be electric if it is.

https://theathletic.com/news/warriors-klay-thompson-won-return-before-christmas-sources/5ECuEYJfzHAx/

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Totally hoping you can answer the GSW's gauntlet that HSB threw down with Steph's record breaker with a Klay's 1st game back of your own......

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Biden indirectly gives Aaron Rodgers some muckety-muck

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1471240969119014924

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re: Cal players in the NBA & NFL. I'm a Cal alum & fan. I'm not really a fan of pro sports other than my fantasy league and when the local teams are in contention. I really don't care much if the local contending teams win or lose, but the entire community gets into it and simply more fun things are going on during these times. As for former Cal bears, I only care about their pro careers as far as they use their celebrity and clout to help the current Cal teams succeed. This by talking up their experience at Cal, helping with recruiting, donating locker rooms, etc. I don't give a whit about hearing how many alums are playing in the NBA, how many NFL linebackers went to Cal, what obscure record was broken by a former Bear, etc. At least, only as far as those tidbits raise the chances of one more recruit signing on the dotted line. Once you're gone, if you're not helping out, you're gone.

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To me, once a Bear always a Bear

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some people haven't discovered Edit yet ;-)

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Justbear's avatar

I just did! Lol

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Jackson Mahomes in hot water after his entitled ass tried to cancel a KC bar. Despite being a big sports fan in general, and the NFL in particular, until this morning I had never heard of him and had no f-ing clue who this clown was...

https://twitter.com/fox4kc/status/1471516411264741377?s=20

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Honestly, even more impressed with SGA’s shot immediately prior.

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Case Keenam saw his opportunity and took it. Great quote.

https://twitter.com/camijustice/status/1471241964242804739

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Lost in the shuffle is that we might see Tosh in 2026 & 2027, if goes to Florida and stays there.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32879774/urban-meyer-jacksonville-jaguars-head-coach-rocky-first-year

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Someone will give him another chance - a proverbial helping hand.

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@Too bad Wilcox didn't go to Oregon@

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Newellbany's avatar

NFL is grown ass men. Can't pull that shit there.

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Terence's avatar

Other College

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Dillon Gabriel to Southern Branch. Martin to redshirt. Poor Ethan.

https://twitter.com/_dillongabriel_/status/1471555662953861125?s=21

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Dillon Gabriel still has 3 years of eligibility left. Gotta figure that may not bode well for Garbers the Younger and Jaylin Martin

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Maybe he'll transfer to Cal and we'll have Garbers 2.0

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Stanford number one in the Pac-12 at 15th nationally, Oregon tumbles to 31st nationally. Arizona's class in Top 50, Cal is not in the Top 50

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How did U$C fall to 82? That is shocking to me, even considering the late-ish hire of Lincoln Riley.

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they signed a grand total of like 7 dudes?

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All rankings are so incomplete at this point as to be irrelevant. Some places have only used 1/4-1/2 their available scholarships so far. Still lots of transfer portal moves to come, and NFL declarations, which affect drastically what you have and what you need, as you fill gaps with both transfers and more targeted to need recruits. Expect a lot of movement up and down between now and the late winter date.

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Maybe it's because you can see the field right away at stanfurd?

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goldenone's avatar

Who knows? And I have no idea why the worst team in the Pac-12 had a recruiting class ranked higher than ours.

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O.Overall's avatar

Is this indicative of the final rankings?

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$$$$$, the stanfurd way

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👀

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The Parker Solar Probe - which UC Berkeley leads one of the instrument suites - has reached the sun's upper atmosphere.

The mission, from the perspective of UC Berkeley's Professor Bale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC7yZJGv5H4

Here is an actual video of solar wind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLeoi2pK3pY

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After getting depressed each day reading links in the crumbling democracy section, its life affirming to see that pure science is still alive & getting funding from somewhere. Maybe we're not doomed.

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> getting funding from somewhere

From you! Tell your congresscritter you support it!

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we are doomed!!

just wait till the aliens find us ..

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my undergrad research was investigating the aurora and the solar wind. it is cool that they are doing these expts much closer to the course.

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goldenone's avatar

Pretty cool. BTW they have postponed the JWST launch until December 24th at the earliest.

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clapdoc's avatar

Like an injured ace pitcher that a team needs for the playoffs, TAKE. YOUR. TIME. Get it right.

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Go Bears!!!

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