What's up party people? Great to see some of you in Ft. Worth. It was a good reminder of how much I miss y'all and the DBD. Now that I've settled into this not-so-new-anymore job, maybe I can sneak back on for a taste.
Having traveled some, there are pros and cons to every country. Even in countries controlled by strongmen, there usually is some kind of social safety net. Subsidized food, government jobs where unemployment is high, etc. Until recently America was weak in this area with a society moving to the haves and have-nots and a shrinking middle class. While America remains a strong country, it no longer is the shining city on a hill.
Yep. It seems exceedingly unlikely that among these trillions and trillions of stars that we are the only life. There are countless planets in habitable zones across the Universe. Many of them ought to have developed life (or will develop life).
I don't believe in mandates personally even ones like the vaccine (at the public level). Private schools and businesses in my opinion can have it but anytime I'm getting word that like Walnut Creek or Millbrae consider a mandate for business I get agitated and yappy (if you ever meet me you'll quickly find out I run my mouth at the slightest things that inconvenience me so having to pull out my vax card at a restaurant because of a city mandate will agitate me). Obviously I don't expect people to agree (don't get it twisted everyone should get the vaccine) but I hate that it comes from the governments (to me it will mean a lack of trust and more backlash in the future with mandates) as opposed to individuals implementing their own mandates (have at it like I said).
For Cugel, sycasey, buckeyebear, berk97, yes we cannon: Upon further review I think the public schools and vaccine mandates with polio, chicken pox, etc are correct I just didn't happen to think that far and that's on me. However I still disagree with the premise that governments should be mandating what businesses do (back to me pulling out a vax card at a restaurant), I just don't think on that front its necessary. And lastly to Cugel's assessment, it sucks for the compromised people who cant get the vaccine, but as for the people who willingly dont get it/ignore it, I just say "too bad so sad", its not my problem. I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for, and if you choose to ignore science I will not feel a second of guilt for the massive death they caused.
Mandates are for when people in significant quantity have demonstrated that they are unwilling or unable to come to a responsible conclusion on their own. I don't think I'm too far out on a limb in stating that we all would prefer fewer mandates would be needed, but increasingly, its been demonstrated that that is not the case. Like it or not, we are all part of a community, and inconvenient as it might be for those who are concerned first and exclusively with personal choice, the consequences of most decisions are not confined to those making them, or even to those in their immediate circle. Others will be affected, and most individuals are not capable of being fully responsible (meaning actually dealing with all the consequences) for their actions, much less willing to be. So the community, via the organizational tool we call a government (better than an armed mob that used to do it) has to intervene when the group's interests are adversely impacted.
re: "too bad so sad". that would be fine if they existed in a vacuum. the problem is the disruption their illnesses at scale causes to the rest of society, not to mention the fact that they create a medium for virus mutations and given enough time one that is resistant to the current vaccines.
I agree with that it’s too bad, so sad choose not to get the vaccine and end up getting Covid. However, it still impacts society as a whole. Even people who are vaccinated can still catch Covid and while they may not die, it can still make them sick enough to miss work. Most restaurant and hospitality workers do not get sick or vacation time so if they miss work, they are missing out on money that they need to buy food and pay their bills.
Governments already mandate what businesses do in many ways. Environmental regulations, for example. Do you like pollution? If not, thank the government for regulating that.
I'm all about erring on the side of freedom, but sometimes everyone making their personal choices becomes a huge net negative to society/civilization as a whole and the government has to step in. Maybe vaccine requirements directed at businesses is not the right approach and reasonable people can disagree about the methods. But "governments shouldn't mandate" is not a tenable position. Why else is there a government?
One in four American adults have yet to receive even one dose of the coronavirus vaccine. To explain the risk they pose to themselves and others, we propose an analogy: The choice to remain unvaccinated is equivalent to driving while intoxicated.
Some might balk at this comparison, but here are the similarities. Both causes of severe bodily harm are largely preventable — covid-19 through vaccination, and drunken driving by not driving after drinking alcohol. Both are individual decisions with societal consequences.
19, still advancing, my line of thought resides more in the way long term vs now and how we can save lives. We've seen how many people protest for the smallest things I just don't want it to blow up and get set off because we know tension is there while I'm alive
The California legislature should make one common sense change that will discourage future political power grabs through the recall process - designate the Lieutenant Governor as the Governor's successor in the event of recall.
Then you don't have a second part of the ballot and you don't have candidates like Larry Elder or other tinfoil hat /vanity candidates making a mockery of the process.
Limiting the potential successor to the Lieutenant Governor also means that there will be no recall absent dereliction of duty or outright incompetence. Voters will not overturn the prior election on a whim. And gathering signatures would be more difficult if people know that the likely outcome means that there is a known successor, especially if it's someone from the same political party.
is that what the number are? That's great. I saw 538, I think it was, showed it something like 57-41 but I took that with a grain of salt given 2016 and assumed the worst.
Newsom: No was not the only thing that was expressed tonight. I want to focus on what we said yes to as a state. We said yes to science. We said yes to vaccines. We said yes to ending this pandemic…
538 has lost its shine for me since Nate Silver tried to tell the world he was oh-so-much-more-clever than trained epidemiologist. Separately, I sometimes get Nate Silver and Mike Silver confused.
I realize it's moot, but will they release the results of the vote for the replacement had the vote on the recall been in favor? Or did they not even tabulate it? I'm just curious how the ranking of the potential replacements fell out.
Very gratifying. Newsom can use this as a platform to get into national politics, which I think is his long term goal. I think given the circumstances of Covid, he has done a good job.
A bigger slaughter than I thought it would be. However just from my view i'm ready to get him out in '22 with another Dem, Newsom has been mediocre at best.
The power of incumbency is far too great for a governor to face a legitimate primary. The only time that wouldn't be true is when a Lt Gov ascends to the office having not won it her/himself in an election.
First off, French Laundry. Can't have that, I don't care how much they tried to dance around it, that will never fly with me. 2nd of all, 3 sets of California stim checks were announced, not one came to my family's bank account/house. 3rd, the tiered system was an actual mess (although different since we have the vaccine now) since we basically carry slightly less numbers. 4th is just general inconsistencies (for example being proactive in climate change but not doing any executive orders that could've helped fire season, seems like all bark no bite to me.)
Which Dem would that be? Because no one is tearing it up so that Newsom should be shaking in his boots.
Don't be fooled: we're in the midst of a generational change in politics, nationally and in California. It just might take another 10 years to play out.
If SoCal Democrats could ever get their shit together, set aside their differences and coalesce around one candidate I could see a SoCal Dem challenging Newsom but that probably won’t happen.
I agree that no one is tearing it up but I like Kevin Mullin's authentic feel and all around ability to be relatable in doing small things like going to baseball games in small towns or being in the rafters at a basketball game.
Ugh. To maintain a semblance equanimity, I dropped watching the A's & following AN regularly three weeks or so ago. With the Bear's start, sans the A's , I reduced the aggravation factor.
Sigh....they really have to step up their game with a handful of contests left. They have to win the series against the Mariners and Astros to get a shot at the second wildcard.
A very unsatisfied customer. If Cal Athletics wants me to buy a ticket to a game at Cal Memorial, two things must happen - (1) the pandemic had better get under control and (2) the football team is going to have to perform much better than it has. That team is backsliding, regressing, into Tom Holmoe/Joe Kapp territory.
Not saying I'm happy with it, just that if you're looking at it from the outside, single-digit losses to Nevada and TCU don't look terrible enough to put a team in the Bottom 10.
I feel the opposite way. I think the backup will look fine against Sac State. For that reason, I don’t see Wilcox putting in the backup because they don’t want any controversy.
What's up party people? Great to see some of you in Ft. Worth. It was a good reminder of how much I miss y'all and the DBD. Now that I've settled into this not-so-new-anymore job, maybe I can sneak back on for a taste.
Likewise, it was good seeing you again too.
New CGB, who dis?
YES PLEASE
Yoooooo
aw yay
"Doubt" was also the title of a film that starred Meryl Streep, Amy Adams, and Philip Seymour Hoffman. It was a good movie.
Good stage play as well.
Or, apparently, flooding.
Having traveled some, there are pros and cons to every country. Even in countries controlled by strongmen, there usually is some kind of social safety net. Subsidized food, government jobs where unemployment is high, etc. Until recently America was weak in this area with a society moving to the haves and have-nots and a shrinking middle class. While America remains a strong country, it no longer is the shining city on a hill.
American myth, rooted in Puritan settlers ideology that we ever were the shining city on a hill.
Belief
I don't believe in life after love
But what if you turn back time?
I would tell myself to put like 15k into bitcoin in 2010.
News flash...life goes on.
I see what you did there....
That before every season kicks off, Cal remains mathematically eligible for the Rose Bowl.
That is a fact!
God
as in, i do not believe ...
STEVIE 👏🏽 WONDER 👏🏽 IS 👏🏽 NOT 👏🏽 BLIND! I will die on this hill.
I don't believe that it's not butter.
That we do not get reincarnated or any sort of afterlife exist. Once we die, it all just goes black and we cease to exist.
agreed. however, this is a strange case where the simplest possible explanation seems to be the least popular one.
When I die I hope to be placed amongst the immortal gods in Elysium. (not)
When I die I hope to be awaited at the gates of Valhalla where I shall ride eternal, shiny and chrome.
California Golden Blogs, wasn't it?
In the Matrix.
We were nowhere and nothing.
take the blue and gold pill
That we are not alone in the universe.
Yep. It seems exceedingly unlikely that among these trillions and trillions of stars that we are the only life. There are countless planets in habitable zones across the Universe. Many of them ought to have developed life (or will develop life).
Or have developed life, which has also already ceased to exist.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
there are all those recent UFO sightings by that Air Force pilot.
just sayin' ...
I don't believe in mandates personally even ones like the vaccine (at the public level). Private schools and businesses in my opinion can have it but anytime I'm getting word that like Walnut Creek or Millbrae consider a mandate for business I get agitated and yappy (if you ever meet me you'll quickly find out I run my mouth at the slightest things that inconvenience me so having to pull out my vax card at a restaurant because of a city mandate will agitate me). Obviously I don't expect people to agree (don't get it twisted everyone should get the vaccine) but I hate that it comes from the governments (to me it will mean a lack of trust and more backlash in the future with mandates) as opposed to individuals implementing their own mandates (have at it like I said).
I think the US has made it plainly clear what happens when a society veers too far towards individualism on the individualism-collectivism spectrum.
i think that many would not say "too far".
in fact, 50%-ish of the country probably would protect that individualism at any cost
after all, we are a country that worships people like Rambo, Maverick (Top Gun), etc etc. everyone wants their startup to be disruptor
Back in the day, I was surprised, and pleased, that seat belt mandates caught on and have worked out very well.
For Cugel, sycasey, buckeyebear, berk97, yes we cannon: Upon further review I think the public schools and vaccine mandates with polio, chicken pox, etc are correct I just didn't happen to think that far and that's on me. However I still disagree with the premise that governments should be mandating what businesses do (back to me pulling out a vax card at a restaurant), I just don't think on that front its necessary. And lastly to Cugel's assessment, it sucks for the compromised people who cant get the vaccine, but as for the people who willingly dont get it/ignore it, I just say "too bad so sad", its not my problem. I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for, and if you choose to ignore science I will not feel a second of guilt for the massive death they caused.
Mandates are for when people in significant quantity have demonstrated that they are unwilling or unable to come to a responsible conclusion on their own. I don't think I'm too far out on a limb in stating that we all would prefer fewer mandates would be needed, but increasingly, its been demonstrated that that is not the case. Like it or not, we are all part of a community, and inconvenient as it might be for those who are concerned first and exclusively with personal choice, the consequences of most decisions are not confined to those making them, or even to those in their immediate circle. Others will be affected, and most individuals are not capable of being fully responsible (meaning actually dealing with all the consequences) for their actions, much less willing to be. So the community, via the organizational tool we call a government (better than an armed mob that used to do it) has to intervene when the group's interests are adversely impacted.
No shoes, no shirt, no sevice. Governments also mandate safe meat handling standards and kitchen cleanliness.
re: "too bad so sad". that would be fine if they existed in a vacuum. the problem is the disruption their illnesses at scale causes to the rest of society, not to mention the fact that they create a medium for virus mutations and given enough time one that is resistant to the current vaccines.
I agree with that it’s too bad, so sad choose not to get the vaccine and end up getting Covid. However, it still impacts society as a whole. Even people who are vaccinated can still catch Covid and while they may not die, it can still make them sick enough to miss work. Most restaurant and hospitality workers do not get sick or vacation time so if they miss work, they are missing out on money that they need to buy food and pay their bills.
Sometimes it isn’t always about dying.
Governments already mandate what businesses do in many ways. Environmental regulations, for example. Do you like pollution? If not, thank the government for regulating that.
I'm all about erring on the side of freedom, but sometimes everyone making their personal choices becomes a huge net negative to society/civilization as a whole and the government has to step in. Maybe vaccine requirements directed at businesses is not the right approach and reasonable people can disagree about the methods. But "governments shouldn't mandate" is not a tenable position. Why else is there a government?
One in four American adults have yet to receive even one dose of the coronavirus vaccine. To explain the risk they pose to themselves and others, we propose an analogy: The choice to remain unvaccinated is equivalent to driving while intoxicated.
Some might balk at this comparison, but here are the similarities. Both causes of severe bodily harm are largely preventable — covid-19 through vaccination, and drunken driving by not driving after drinking alcohol. Both are individual decisions with societal consequences.
From WaPo, but it's a fair analogy
I agree with this analogy and it’s a much better one than the seat belt or car accidents analogy that anti-vax and anti-government mandates make.
So you're against public school systems mandating vaccines like they have for years?
Do you extend this to all vaccines?
It's the only way to stop a pandemic, except massive death - so you're in favor of massive death?
19, still advancing, my line of thought resides more in the way long term vs now and how we can save lives. We've seen how many people protest for the smallest things I just don't want it to blow up and get set off because we know tension is there while I'm alive
Our Crumbling World
GOP: I can't believe Biden left all those Afghan refugees to die.
Also GOP: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-afghanistan-immigration-taliban-ac6dbd381ff5e6e64f921e1e64f53444
I think that's a loser political attack.
Elder (recall) gets its ass kicked by 2:1 margin.
2:1? That's Elder abuse.
Eh. Beaten to the punch.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1437990316737323008
Even Andrew Cuomo can't believe the damage
solid
Good. It's a shame the state will have to foot the $300m bill for this desperate attempt by the GOP.
The California legislature should make one common sense change that will discourage future political power grabs through the recall process - designate the Lieutenant Governor as the Governor's successor in the event of recall.
Then you don't have a second part of the ballot and you don't have candidates like Larry Elder or other tinfoil hat /vanity candidates making a mockery of the process.
I strongly agree with this.
Limiting the potential successor to the Lieutenant Governor also means that there will be no recall absent dereliction of duty or outright incompetence. Voters will not overturn the prior election on a whim. And gathering signatures would be more difficult if people know that the likely outcome means that there is a known successor, especially if it's someone from the same political party.
Yup, I've been wondering about that for awhile. What's the point of the Lt Gov? (Actually, what *is* the point?)
Maybe we should have it be like Pres/Vice President, where they run as a team, so you don't get Elder winning Lt Gov and the the GOP doing a recall?
Should have built a rickety but beloved stadium on a fault line instead.
is that what the number are? That's great. I saw 538, I think it was, showed it something like 57-41 but I took that with a grain of salt given 2016 and assumed the worst.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1437990179852091392
Acyn
@Acyn
Newsom: No was not the only thing that was expressed tonight. I want to focus on what we said yes to as a state. We said yes to science. We said yes to vaccines. We said yes to ending this pandemic…
538 has lost its shine for me since Nate Silver tried to tell the world he was oh-so-much-more-clever than trained epidemiologist. Separately, I sometimes get Nate Silver and Mike Silver confused.
Silver is fine and people get way too overheated about his COVID opinions.
I realize it's moot, but will they release the results of the vote for the replacement had the vote on the recall been in favor? Or did they not even tabulate it? I'm just curious how the ranking of the potential replacements fell out.
Elder, 40%
Yes, the results are out. Elder got the largest plurality by far.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/14/us/elections/results-california-recall.html
This is great news for Democrats in California going forward.
Bad news for the GQP if they ever want to win statewide office again.
Terrible news for society.
Very gratifying. Newsom can use this as a platform to get into national politics, which I think is his long term goal. I think given the circumstances of Covid, he has done a good job.
A bigger slaughter than I thought it would be. However just from my view i'm ready to get him out in '22 with another Dem, Newsom has been mediocre at best.
The power of incumbency is far too great for a governor to face a legitimate primary. The only time that wouldn't be true is when a Lt Gov ascends to the office having not won it her/himself in an election.
This take fascinates me. What specifically would you have preferred he had done rather than what he has?
First off, French Laundry. Can't have that, I don't care how much they tried to dance around it, that will never fly with me. 2nd of all, 3 sets of California stim checks were announced, not one came to my family's bank account/house. 3rd, the tiered system was an actual mess (although different since we have the vaccine now) since we basically carry slightly less numbers. 4th is just general inconsistencies (for example being proactive in climate change but not doing any executive orders that could've helped fire season, seems like all bark no bite to me.)
Which Dem would that be? Because no one is tearing it up so that Newsom should be shaking in his boots.
Don't be fooled: we're in the midst of a generational change in politics, nationally and in California. It just might take another 10 years to play out.
If SoCal Democrats could ever get their shit together, set aside their differences and coalesce around one candidate I could see a SoCal Dem challenging Newsom but that probably won’t happen.
I agree that no one is tearing it up but I like Kevin Mullin's authentic feel and all around ability to be relatable in doing small things like going to baseball games in small towns or being in the rafters at a basketball game.
In what sense generational change? (I don't disagree, just curious about what you mean)
Today in Covid 19
Pro
A’s blow 6-run lead, again
https://www.athleticsnation.com/2021/9/14/22675030/oakland-as-game-144-kansas-city-royals-score-result
Ugh. To maintain a semblance equanimity, I dropped watching the A's & following AN regularly three weeks or so ago. With the Bear's start, sans the A's , I reduced the aggravation factor.
Sigh....they really have to step up their game with a handful of contests left. They have to win the series against the Mariners and Astros to get a shot at the second wildcard.
Dodgers get win over Diamondbacks, just as expected
LA clinches a 9th straight postseason berth
https://www.truebluela.com/2021/9/14/22674711/dodgers-win-diamondbacks-norm
Giants win ninth straight, take down the Padres 6-1
https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2021/9/14/22674920/mlb-scores-recap-san-francisco-giants-san-diego-padres-anthony-desclafani-buster-posey
The Giants have accumulated enough talent that they can usually win despite Gabe's usual supply of inexplicable moves with the lineup.
Other College
Luke Fickell says he's not interested in USC job
https://www.wlwt.com/article/luke-fickell-shuts-down-usc-rumors-grass-is-not-always-greener/37597603#
Urban Meyer is also uninterested
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/15/urban-meyer-says-theres-no-chance-hell-be-the-head-coach-at-usc/
There's plenty of time for things to change in the next four months, but it's nice to see some big names coming out with an immediate "nuh-uh"
Let’s see how he feels when it’s December and his team is 1-11.
this is good news IMO. I don't want that guy anywhere near the program.
My college. 48 hours to move in day. Jesus Christ.
Good luck!
Good Luck. No 3's time slot is around Fri at 2:50.
Friday, 10:30 AM for me.
Nice! I’ll say a prayer that you get a cool roommate!
Good luck.
Guess what, Cal is not in the Bottom 25!
College football rankings: Let's welcome Florida State and Kansas back to The Bottom 25
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-rankings-lets-welcome-florida-state-and-kansas-back-to-the-bottom-25/
For some reason UW moved out of the bottom 25...
No real reason to have Cal there. As depressing as it was for us, we lost two close games to decent teams.
...and we looked crappy losing both games.
A very unsatisfied customer. If Cal Athletics wants me to buy a ticket to a game at Cal Memorial, two things must happen - (1) the pandemic had better get under control and (2) the football team is going to have to perform much better than it has. That team is backsliding, regressing, into Tom Holmoe/Joe Kapp territory.
Not good.
I don't understand how there's no vaccine mandate at Memorial. Anyone know what the thinking is there?
I agree with both of prerequisites for buying and attending a Cal game this season.
I also agree that we are regressing.
Not saying I'm happy with it, just that if you're looking at it from the outside, single-digit losses to Nevada and TCU don't look terrible enough to put a team in the Bottom 10.
regressing, into Tom Holmoe/Joe Kapp territory... That's just silly.
Cal
If the D continues to tackle the way they have in weeks 1 & 2, this game could be a N. Texas-like dog fight
I decided to trust that Wilcox and co. can fix the tackling issue.
Feels like tackling has been an issue in the last 6 games we played.
Now that he has brought it up in the presser I guess he is kind of saying he owns it.
Go Bears!!!
Sac State predictions
2700. This is my over/under on times that "Troy Taylor" is mentioned.
You know who will be responsible for about 2,500 of those mentions.
more like 2690 or more.
Sike - they're all just wikipedia links.
It will be a mix of Troy Taylor and Shaw mentions
27-10
We never seem to be able to put FCS teams away comfortably under Wilcox.
Also, if we get to see the backup QB I predict that any future calls for Garbers to be replaced will be silenced.
Ryan Glover is statistically similar to Zach Maynard
I feel the opposite way. I think the backup will look fine against Sac State. For that reason, I don’t see Wilcox putting in the backup because they don’t want any controversy.
We never have put any teams away other than OSU that one year, 45-7 or something like that.
Chicken and waffles at the tailgate. Come through
Tell your s/o that I may have found a tailgate vendor for South Bend.
Will do. She also found someone to do in home catering.
I may be a few months late.
24-17, Cal.
I have little confidence in the offense. The defense has been sloppy enough that I think this game will be closer than it should be.
I'm in full pessimism mode for the Wilcox era.
This is where I’m at as well. We will win but it be closer and uglier than it should be.
don't forget to factor in the first half point-chasing
Ouch
37 - 20
@which team has 37?@
I hope Cal does. 5 TD + 1 FG - 1 XP
Pain.
38-7 Cal
35-17 Cal.
It is exceptional, just not in the way that people normally people think that it is.
eh, I'd say it's exceptional in various, but not necessarily good ways.
Write on...