In regards to the FSU lawsuit, I am scratching my head about your depiction of FSU’s complaint to be one-sided. Out of curiosity, isn’t the entire point of filing suit to present one side of the story? Isn’t the defendant able to argue their side of the case? Strange choice of words.
The same holds true for the ACC suit which is described differently although they were doing exactly what FSU was doing, presenting their side. Why would you describe them differently?
Hello, Tom, this is TwistNHook responding to your comment. Firstly, thank you very much for reading the post. I appreciate it
Secondly, I did not see where I referred to the FSU lawsuit as one sided. I do think that FSU is trying to tell a story that is so preposterous it cannot be believed. FSU was bullied into signing the contracts etc. You lose credibility with Judges etc when you take extreme positions like that
Clemson's position is more straight ahead (i.e these deals don't work for us anymore, please let us out). I felt that Clemson and ACC took more reasonable positions with their lawsuits than FSU and that is why I describe them differently.
So glad you do these for us. It's like an autopsy of the dying of the current conference status. In 10-20 years we will read history of the dying of the old conference system, and your posts are good material for whoever rights that book! Maybe you?
Thank you for your kind words, CalBear91. I do not see myself writing a book as I have never written a book before.
I always remember the legal analysis we did the tree sitter case at the start of the CGB era and it made me happy. We were really on the ground floor (pun intended!) and I thought it helped the community. I am just trying to do anything I can to help.
You are deserving and most welcome. Even though you haven't written one before, your legal skills would give you insights into the collapse of the whole conference system that will be played out almost certainly in the court of law before being finalized in the court of opinion. You have this book in you--it's in there, just waiting to come out, if you let it!
From what I’ve read elsewhere the UNC governance of the state universities makes their leaving NC State behind more challenging than say how UCLA left us and the Pac-12. They would end up in one of the two P2 conferences ultimately, but likely not until the ACC craters. Not likely to be aggressive about it, although they may like to be.
Thank you very much for reading, Heyalumnigo. I hope you enjoyed the post.
I do not anticipate the ACC preemptively suing UNC/UVA. Firstly, UNC/UVA voted to sue FSU, so they seem on board with the lawsuit.
Secondly, as we have seen repeatedly here, Clemson/FSU argue that the ACC lawsuits should be dismissed for having "no justiciable controversy. UNC/UVA haven't shown any interest in creating a controversy so the ACC would not be able to sue them.
In regards to the FSU lawsuit, I am scratching my head about your depiction of FSU’s complaint to be one-sided. Out of curiosity, isn’t the entire point of filing suit to present one side of the story? Isn’t the defendant able to argue their side of the case? Strange choice of words.
The same holds true for the ACC suit which is described differently although they were doing exactly what FSU was doing, presenting their side. Why would you describe them differently?
Hello, Tom, this is TwistNHook responding to your comment. Firstly, thank you very much for reading the post. I appreciate it
Secondly, I did not see where I referred to the FSU lawsuit as one sided. I do think that FSU is trying to tell a story that is so preposterous it cannot be believed. FSU was bullied into signing the contracts etc. You lose credibility with Judges etc when you take extreme positions like that
Clemson's position is more straight ahead (i.e these deals don't work for us anymore, please let us out). I felt that Clemson and ACC took more reasonable positions with their lawsuits than FSU and that is why I describe them differently.
So glad you do these for us. It's like an autopsy of the dying of the current conference status. In 10-20 years we will read history of the dying of the old conference system, and your posts are good material for whoever rights that book! Maybe you?
Thank you for your kind words, CalBear91. I do not see myself writing a book as I have never written a book before.
I always remember the legal analysis we did the tree sitter case at the start of the CGB era and it made me happy. We were really on the ground floor (pun intended!) and I thought it helped the community. I am just trying to do anything I can to help.
You are deserving and most welcome. Even though you haven't written one before, your legal skills would give you insights into the collapse of the whole conference system that will be played out almost certainly in the court of law before being finalized in the court of opinion. You have this book in you--it's in there, just waiting to come out, if you let it!
I wonder if the ACC will preemptively sue UNC and UVa (the two others most likely to leave).
From what I’ve read elsewhere the UNC governance of the state universities makes their leaving NC State behind more challenging than say how UCLA left us and the Pac-12. They would end up in one of the two P2 conferences ultimately, but likely not until the ACC craters. Not likely to be aggressive about it, although they may like to be.
Thank you very much for reading, Heyalumnigo. I hope you enjoyed the post.
I do not anticipate the ACC preemptively suing UNC/UVA. Firstly, UNC/UVA voted to sue FSU, so they seem on board with the lawsuit.
Secondly, as we have seen repeatedly here, Clemson/FSU argue that the ACC lawsuits should be dismissed for having "no justiciable controversy. UNC/UVA haven't shown any interest in creating a controversy so the ACC would not be able to sue them.
Twist, all your posts have been great and informative!
Clemson wins on 1, 3, 4.
Loses on 2, 5, 6, 7.
So they pay $140MM to leave. But when?
Hey Raj, what's up dude?
I am not sure they will win 1. Their interpretation is potentially undercut by language in other sections. It is not super cut and dry.