It has nothing to do with football. It has to do with the other sports - MBB, WBB, volleyball, baseball, softball, men's and women's soccer, and on and on.
It says a lot about how they feel about the religious schools, that they would rather take the chance of shutting down more than half the athletic programs than be affiliated with them.
One thing no one has considered and that is a scuttling of the whole deal with USC and fUCLA and the B!G. It's something I am working on and I'll post it if it has any legs.
I know the people and schools of the "old" ACC well. I'm a Maryland graduate with 4 varsity letters from basketball & tennis and remain close to the programs.
I'd be shocked if Duke or Carolina left. First, unlike the backstabbing UCLA scumbags, there is no possible way Carolina could leave State (that's NCSU for the rest of you) to wither and die. Absolutely completely impossible. Second, the Big Four; Carolina, Duke, Wake and State RULE the ACC. The power of Carolina and Duke in the Big Ten would be tiny. NO ONE at Duke gives a damn about football. NO ONE. Carolina has been up and down, but football is an afterthought. Survey the entire Carolina fan base and they just don't care.
It has nothing to do with football. It has to do with the other sports - MBB, WBB, volleyball, baseball, softball, men's and women's soccer, and on and on.
As a resident in the mid-Atlantic who gets the ACC Network I was encouraged when I saw the headline. Thought maybe I could see a game or two. But based on the schedule shown it would still be only late-night games starts, so not much help. If it helps the athletic dept OK, but no help to me.
"The religious school issue has come up constantly with Baylor and would definitely come up with TCU". How has the issue come up constantly? Baylor has consistently proven to be quite successful in football, men's basketball, and women's basketball -- more than Texas in many respects. TCU has also been very competitive.
As a fan, having a way to see Cal sports without needing a specific cable company would be huge, even if only streaming. I only use streaming to watch things so I'm personally happy with that as solution as long as there are no dumb blackout issues. I await the day where we can dump the corpse of the Pac-12 Network in Larry Scott's yard so he can think about what he did.
Now, looking at the business case, audience is everything. Streaming doesn't "push" your product in front of non-Cal fans in the same way as a broadcast channel. This deal is reasonable as a tourniquet, but you still need to go to the ER.
A nice little flotation device while circling the drain, before being sucked in and spit out into a new mid-major reality along with 20-or-so other former "Power 5" programs who weren't able to hitch that sweet ride.
Thanks for the interesting piece. I enjoyed the read and it gives the Pac (10?) "breathing room" until something better can be hammered out. Pac after dark seems likely to continue. My only concern is whether or not less appetizing non-conference games will be broadcast. If streaming is addressed, likely because it will become increasingly prevalent by 2024, it seems like ESPN should widen distribution rather than rely solely on ESPN+, with parent co. Disney's Disney+ a candidate. After all, it has 87,000,000 subscribers worldwide.
The Grant of Right that you linked is clear, but to really opine if Clemson et al have an out, we'd need to see teh ESPN Agreement. I'm sure all the lawyers -- Clenson's and ESPN's -- are going thru it looking to see what happens to the Grant of Right if the ESPN Agreement gets amended to consolidate Pac12 Network into ACC Network. If the Pac is added, if I'm Clemson/FSU/Miami, I look to file suit to break the Grant of Right. Perhaps a low odds suit, but the payoff is huge if one/all could move to the SEC early.
Of course, there is no guarantee that Oregon and U-Dub would sign on as long as they have a chance at joining the BiG.
So yes, Avi, this is only a stop-gap and the remaining Pac10 cannot become complacent.
The Big 12 doesn't want Cal, Washington State or Oregon State. The Pac-12 is a raging dumpster fire right now.
It has nothing to do with football. It has to do with the other sports - MBB, WBB, volleyball, baseball, softball, men's and women's soccer, and on and on.
It says a lot about how they feel about the religious schools, that they would rather take the chance of shutting down more than half the athletic programs than be affiliated with them.
Can anyone speak to how this is all affecting Cal recruiting? I can't imagine the uncertainty is helping at all.
One thing no one has considered and that is a scuttling of the whole deal with USC and fUCLA and the B!G. It's something I am working on and I'll post it if it has any legs.
I know the people and schools of the "old" ACC well. I'm a Maryland graduate with 4 varsity letters from basketball & tennis and remain close to the programs.
I'd be shocked if Duke or Carolina left. First, unlike the backstabbing UCLA scumbags, there is no possible way Carolina could leave State (that's NCSU for the rest of you) to wither and die. Absolutely completely impossible. Second, the Big Four; Carolina, Duke, Wake and State RULE the ACC. The power of Carolina and Duke in the Big Ten would be tiny. NO ONE at Duke gives a damn about football. NO ONE. Carolina has been up and down, but football is an afterthought. Survey the entire Carolina fan base and they just don't care.
No way they give ip their power within the ACC.
It has nothing to do with football. It has to do with the other sports - MBB, WBB, volleyball, baseball, softball, men's and women's soccer, and on and on.
As a resident in the mid-Atlantic who gets the ACC Network I was encouraged when I saw the headline. Thought maybe I could see a game or two. But based on the schedule shown it would still be only late-night games starts, so not much help. If it helps the athletic dept OK, but no help to me.
Moving from Oregon to South Carolina next year - about an hour away from Clemson. Maybe this will work well for me to watch games
"The religious school issue has come up constantly with Baylor and would definitely come up with TCU". How has the issue come up constantly? Baylor has consistently proven to be quite successful in football, men's basketball, and women's basketball -- more than Texas in many respects. TCU has also been very competitive.
So college sports turned into Game of Thrones. And Cal is looking most like Ned Stark riding into King's Landing.
As a fan, having a way to see Cal sports without needing a specific cable company would be huge, even if only streaming. I only use streaming to watch things so I'm personally happy with that as solution as long as there are no dumb blackout issues. I await the day where we can dump the corpse of the Pac-12 Network in Larry Scott's yard so he can think about what he did.
Now, looking at the business case, audience is everything. Streaming doesn't "push" your product in front of non-Cal fans in the same way as a broadcast channel. This deal is reasonable as a tourniquet, but you still need to go to the ER.
Fake news
A nice little flotation device while circling the drain, before being sucked in and spit out into a new mid-major reality along with 20-or-so other former "Power 5" programs who weren't able to hitch that sweet ride.
Thanks for the interesting piece. I enjoyed the read and it gives the Pac (10?) "breathing room" until something better can be hammered out. Pac after dark seems likely to continue. My only concern is whether or not less appetizing non-conference games will be broadcast. If streaming is addressed, likely because it will become increasingly prevalent by 2024, it seems like ESPN should widen distribution rather than rely solely on ESPN+, with parent co. Disney's Disney+ a candidate. After all, it has 87,000,000 subscribers worldwide.
The Grant of Right that you linked is clear, but to really opine if Clemson et al have an out, we'd need to see teh ESPN Agreement. I'm sure all the lawyers -- Clenson's and ESPN's -- are going thru it looking to see what happens to the Grant of Right if the ESPN Agreement gets amended to consolidate Pac12 Network into ACC Network. If the Pac is added, if I'm Clemson/FSU/Miami, I look to file suit to break the Grant of Right. Perhaps a low odds suit, but the payoff is huge if one/all could move to the SEC early.
Of course, there is no guarantee that Oregon and U-Dub would sign on as long as they have a chance at joining the BiG.
So yes, Avi, this is only a stop-gap and the remaining Pac10 cannot become complacent.