There's a chance Pac4 remains to exist which is not good. We might have to work as a package of 4 and makes it harder to move than a package of just us and Furd.
But this guy is probably more capable than Knowlton and Christ.
There's a chance Pac4 remains to exist which is not good. We might have to work as a package of 4 and makes it harder to move than a package of just us and Furd.
But this guy is probably more capable than Knowlton and Christ.
Sure it’s a step up in leadership, as Christ and Knowlton are bumbling f-ing idiots and Kliavkoff has already been bumped aside…unfortunately the bomb has already gone off and the time to have brought Luck in was in the last 12 months when you were still 10 teams. What TF is Luck going to advise them now, as all the options are bad.
Also, now being a package deal with OSU and Wazzu means joining the ACC/Big12/B1G are out…which means we’re a mid-major…which means the Athletic Department is dead…which means none of it really matters.
Agreed, Cal and Stanford might have a tiny amount of juice to a conference looking to get into the bay area market, adding Wash State and Oregon State to that doesn’t help.
Plus, it remains to be seen what other schools would even be joining the 4…you’re not getting any from the MWC anytime soon for that current exit fee…it’s likely a short term fix, because plenty have voiced concern that Stanford specifically, and maybe Cal, would leave for the B1G. The AAC is a wash with the MWC because the increased.
I want the conference saved if there's actually some sort of monetary/geographical benefit in it, but I don't want it to continue if Kliavkoff is retained, bottom line. His ouster with no severance should be the first requirement of any deal. (it won't be, but I can pretend.)
Remaining with OSU/Wazzu, while ostensibly noble and in all likelihood their only remaining move, puts us on the mid-major track and almost assuredly strips whatever remains of the Conference of any Group of 5 rights/status. The $$$, which already didn’t really fit even in the past few years of the P12, means you’re cutting multiple sports, reducing rosters, limiting schedules, etc.
While Kliavkoff is undoubtedly a boob, the leaders at USC, UCLA, Colorado, Oregon and Washington are all just as much to blame.
I wonder if he's lamenting his incompetence for causing what happened, or if he's just laughing that he doesn't have to do anything because he has no attachment to Pac12.
Look, I am no fan of Kliavkoff…I gave him a chance, considering the mess Larry Scott left him with. But like Rob Manfred, Kliavkoff really just works at the behest of his bosses, and they’re the ones that hired a guy with NO experience in college athletics for a second consecutive time…he didn’t unilaterally nix TV deals on his own.
He did get absolutely worked by Yormark…it’s just that there’s plenty of blame to go around…
It's like a reliever put on mound with bases loaded and he gave up a grand slam. He also was just a pitcher called up from a minor league and it was the manager's fault for sending him on mound.
Per Wilner, espn offered the Pac10 $30m last fall, and ~3 Presidents turned it down, flat out rejection. They told K to go get $50m per school......not saying that K has been any good but you can only do what your bosses direct.
I'm not sure if this good or bad.
There's a chance Pac4 remains to exist which is not good. We might have to work as a package of 4 and makes it harder to move than a package of just us and Furd.
But this guy is probably more capable than Knowlton and Christ.
IMO, it’s bad…
Sure it’s a step up in leadership, as Christ and Knowlton are bumbling f-ing idiots and Kliavkoff has already been bumped aside…unfortunately the bomb has already gone off and the time to have brought Luck in was in the last 12 months when you were still 10 teams. What TF is Luck going to advise them now, as all the options are bad.
Also, now being a package deal with OSU and Wazzu means joining the ACC/Big12/B1G are out…which means we’re a mid-major…which means the Athletic Department is dead…which means none of it really matters.
Agreed, Cal and Stanford might have a tiny amount of juice to a conference looking to get into the bay area market, adding Wash State and Oregon State to that doesn’t help.
Right.
Plus, it remains to be seen what other schools would even be joining the 4…you’re not getting any from the MWC anytime soon for that current exit fee…it’s likely a short term fix, because plenty have voiced concern that Stanford specifically, and maybe Cal, would leave for the B1G. The AAC is a wash with the MWC because the increased.
What is Kliavkoff doing right now? Is he working hard to save the conference? Or has he given up?
I don't want to stay in Pac12 so I absolutely don't care, but he's being paid a big money and just enjoying his break?
I want the conference saved if there's actually some sort of monetary/geographical benefit in it, but I don't want it to continue if Kliavkoff is retained, bottom line. His ouster with no severance should be the first requirement of any deal. (it won't be, but I can pretend.)
Remaining with OSU/Wazzu, while ostensibly noble and in all likelihood their only remaining move, puts us on the mid-major track and almost assuredly strips whatever remains of the Conference of any Group of 5 rights/status. The $$$, which already didn’t really fit even in the past few years of the P12, means you’re cutting multiple sports, reducing rosters, limiting schedules, etc.
While Kliavkoff is undoubtedly a boob, the leaders at USC, UCLA, Colorado, Oregon and Washington are all just as much to blame.
Heard various reports that the remaining schools have held meetings without him.
I wonder if he's lamenting his incompetence for causing what happened, or if he's just laughing that he doesn't have to do anything because he has no attachment to Pac12.
Look, I am no fan of Kliavkoff…I gave him a chance, considering the mess Larry Scott left him with. But like Rob Manfred, Kliavkoff really just works at the behest of his bosses, and they’re the ones that hired a guy with NO experience in college athletics for a second consecutive time…he didn’t unilaterally nix TV deals on his own.
He did get absolutely worked by Yormark…it’s just that there’s plenty of blame to go around…
It's like a reliever put on mound with bases loaded and he gave up a grand slam. He also was just a pitcher called up from a minor league and it was the manager's fault for sending him on mound.
I mean, getting jumped by the B12 is a fireable offense on it’s own.
Per Wilner, espn offered the Pac10 $30m last fall, and ~3 Presidents turned it down, flat out rejection. They told K to go get $50m per school......not saying that K has been any good but you can only do what your bosses direct.
Agree - I said as much in another post.
But getting outplayed by Yormark is on George.