I know this might not be the comparison that we'd like to hear, but Madsen could be to Cal basketball to what Harbaugh was to Stanford football. Sometimes you need an energetic, intelligent, focused, winner to come in and set up an identity. Utah Valley, if you watch them, are a damn well coached team.
guys need to look past mad dogs furd history and just look what he can offer based on what hehas done since playing days. he coached fardaw aimaq to 2 time defensive player of yr in the conference and is projected to be drafted in nba. although FA is playing 4 texas tech now via portal if it wasnt 4 mad dog he wouldnt be taken by them
mad dog would be a decent hire at least. if you read all the stories about him on the internet if they r true he seems 2 check all the boxes that cal desires. he would appreciate the hi academic standards at cal and will look 4 certain recruits that seek the same student athlete expectations. he def can coach coming from nba and g league and attending youth camps while as a professional. if hes smart he would surround himself with asst coaches that will teach our young men x's n o's and out hustle opponents thats how he played. he was a laker fav becuz of it and uses his limited talent vs other nba elites to the fullest. hopefully he can inspire the team n new recruits to play for him
As one of my buddies said: As long as we can't pay football or basketball in a swimming pool,we are going to suck, as much as our institutional support sucks.
It’s hard to take a process as objective when it involves 3 old white men cutting themselves off from the rest of the base to make this decision The result is entirely predictable. Given this is 2023 and this is Berkeley of all places, I expected better.
For those who want to know more I think reading through his blog (albeit pretty sporadic postings) will tell you all you need to know about him.
I must admit I have / had reservations about him being a Mormon Furdie from San Ramon coaching a team in Utah full of oafy white dudes but after reading a bit about his opinions I feel he is a good intellectual fit.
My worry now goes from “he’ll just bounce to furd when he sees any hinkling of success because furdie” to “he’ll just bounce to a fUCLA type job at the first jingle due to the fact that he is a gym rat type with clearly larger goals than cal and Knowlton is too much of a slap dick to draft a contract that makes that option expensive for him”
I'm thinking the Jorge incident, plus Pasternack's intensity, competitive fire and habit of getting under people's skins (as reported by BI) may be considered show-stoppers given the Mckeever situation, McGuire allegations, and new AD investigation.
If so, it's a direct result of Knowlton's failure to act proactively on the early Mckeever complaints.
Dec 20th at Oregon. Utah Valley won. 77-72. They beat Colorado in the NIT at CU 81-69. They beat Cincy 74-68. Pretty good wins in my book. Might be a sleeper.
UCLA fan here: I think this is a great hire for you guys and Stanford will be kicking themselves for years for keeping Haase when Madsen was available.
As for the hiring process...all I can say is that UCLA's process was quick, quiet, and painless when we hired Steve Alford and an absolute embarrassing circus playing out across the national media when we hired Mick Cronin. It's all about the result.
First thought: underwhelmed. I hope I’m wrong. We needed a triple, if not a hr. I feel like we got a bunt single.
A young coach that can grow into a legacy coach? Sure. But that legacy will be at Stanfurd, which will snatch him up at the first sign of success. Ugh.
If Madsen comes to Cal, we’ll be hiring his replacement sooner, rather than later. If he flops, he’s gotta go. If he wins, he leaves for Furd. Even if we’re winning we lose.
He's referring to these coaches with Cal ties or reported Cal interest that were not hired for reason or another. Missouri(Dennis Gates) Georgia (Shareef Abdul Rahim's brother) Arkansas(Eric Musselman) and Pasternak.
Right: But, when did Georgia offer AAR? I spotted his nephew, Jabri Abdur-Rahim (Shareef's son) plays for the Bulldogs. But, true, none of those named coaches were hired or accepted any offers...
Well, other than the fact that Madsen is associated with THE two sports teams that I loathe more than any other in this world, it seems that this hire could turn out okay...or it could be a disaster. I remain ambivalent about Cal MBB as that leave me less vulnerable to false hopes.
Hard to know if the process was good, but if it's Madsen then he isn't an obviously bad hire. He's a guy with west-coast connections who has had success coaching at a smaller school. A reasonable choice.
Would I have preferred Pasternack? Yes, but I also have to acknowledge that when picking between these mid-major coaches with similar resumes it's hard to know who will hit and who will not. We'll see!
Has there been any more insight on why AAR (apparently) isn't being offered the job? Was he never a legit option, despite appearances, or something in the interview gave pause? Not sure if anything credible leaked.
Feels like some Manchurian Candidate BS with Monty as the puppet master putting in his little Furd robot. Not like either guy can do more damage than has already been done to this program, but there were much better candidates and it seems like the process has alienated important stakeholders. Besides “better than Fox” I have nothing better to say.
This is most likely the scenario. For whatever reason, Monty still holds a lot of sway over Cal MBB. First he wanted his some hired, then Decuire, and now he gets his way with someone he coached at furd.
I mean how much does DeCuire move the needle? If our bar is Wyking and Fox, then yeah, sure. But Monty wasn’t pushing Gates either, which was an obvious and worthy swing as far back as 6 years ago. Monty has his own agenda, which has been pretty consistently tied to his own legacy.
Also, I know Jay John. OK guy, but a wee bit old school, no? Maybe Madsen wins over fans with his charm and energy. Maybe he wins over me. But I do think Pasternack and AAR have better upsides, would get the base engaged quicker, and would put us on a path to having a more modern basketball program more quickly. Madsen becomes a better talking point for the old Bay Area sports journos though -- the few of them that are left anyways.
I know this might not be the comparison that we'd like to hear, but Madsen could be to Cal basketball to what Harbaugh was to Stanford football. Sometimes you need an energetic, intelligent, focused, winner to come in and set up an identity. Utah Valley, if you watch them, are a damn well coached team.
guys need to look past mad dogs furd history and just look what he can offer based on what hehas done since playing days. he coached fardaw aimaq to 2 time defensive player of yr in the conference and is projected to be drafted in nba. although FA is playing 4 texas tech now via portal if it wasnt 4 mad dog he wouldnt be taken by them
mad dog would be a decent hire at least. if you read all the stories about him on the internet if they r true he seems 2 check all the boxes that cal desires. he would appreciate the hi academic standards at cal and will look 4 certain recruits that seek the same student athlete expectations. he def can coach coming from nba and g league and attending youth camps while as a professional. if hes smart he would surround himself with asst coaches that will teach our young men x's n o's and out hustle opponents thats how he played. he was a laker fav becuz of it and uses his limited talent vs other nba elites to the fullest. hopefully he can inspire the team n new recruits to play for him
As one of my buddies said: As long as we can't pay football or basketball in a swimming pool,we are going to suck, as much as our institutional support sucks.
I like the hire of Mark Madsen very much. Hopefully he gets the support of Cal's Administration!
It’s hard to take a process as objective when it involves 3 old white men cutting themselves off from the rest of the base to make this decision The result is entirely predictable. Given this is 2023 and this is Berkeley of all places, I expected better.
For those who want to know more I think reading through his blog (albeit pretty sporadic postings) will tell you all you need to know about him.
I must admit I have / had reservations about him being a Mormon Furdie from San Ramon coaching a team in Utah full of oafy white dudes but after reading a bit about his opinions I feel he is a good intellectual fit.
My worry now goes from “he’ll just bounce to furd when he sees any hinkling of success because furdie” to “he’ll just bounce to a fUCLA type job at the first jingle due to the fact that he is a gym rat type with clearly larger goals than cal and Knowlton is too much of a slap dick to draft a contract that makes that option expensive for him”
www.markmadsen.com
I'm thinking the Jorge incident, plus Pasternack's intensity, competitive fire and habit of getting under people's skins (as reported by BI) may be considered show-stoppers given the Mckeever situation, McGuire allegations, and new AD investigation.
If so, it's a direct result of Knowlton's failure to act proactively on the early Mckeever complaints.
Dec 20th at Oregon. Utah Valley won. 77-72. They beat Colorado in the NIT at CU 81-69. They beat Cincy 74-68. Pretty good wins in my book. Might be a sleeper.
UCLA fan here: I think this is a great hire for you guys and Stanford will be kicking themselves for years for keeping Haase when Madsen was available.
As for the hiring process...all I can say is that UCLA's process was quick, quiet, and painless when we hired Steve Alford and an absolute embarrassing circus playing out across the national media when we hired Mick Cronin. It's all about the result.
First thought: underwhelmed. I hope I’m wrong. We needed a triple, if not a hr. I feel like we got a bunt single.
A young coach that can grow into a legacy coach? Sure. But that legacy will be at Stanfurd, which will snatch him up at the first sign of success. Ugh.
If Madsen comes to Cal, we’ll be hiring his replacement sooner, rather than later. If he flops, he’s gotta go. If he wins, he leaves for Furd. Even if we’re winning we lose.
If that logic works, then Dennis Gates would be coaching at Cal right now.
It ain’t necessarily so. The Cal job and the Missouri job are not even close to being equal. Once we let Gates go SEC, there was no coming back.
...If he wins at Cal..he'd leave for Stanford. ??
Not likely...
....Given that scenario he might look to move but not to Stanford..
.....At that point he'd probably be one of the hottest coaches in the USA and Stanford, if current trends continue, would be a major step down.
When AAR takes Georgia to the final four in three years, I’m gonna be so pissed.
Missouri, Georgia, Arkansas & a Pasternak-led Arizona in the 2027 NCAA Final Four.
What?
He's referring to these coaches with Cal ties or reported Cal interest that were not hired for reason or another. Missouri(Dennis Gates) Georgia (Shareef Abdul Rahim's brother) Arkansas(Eric Musselman) and Pasternak.
Right: But, when did Georgia offer AAR? I spotted his nephew, Jabri Abdur-Rahim (Shareef's son) plays for the Bulldogs. But, true, none of those named coaches were hired or accepted any offers...
Their saying WHEN Georgia hires AAR...
Ahh!!! This makes so much more sense!!! TY!
Well, other than the fact that Madsen is associated with THE two sports teams that I loathe more than any other in this world, it seems that this hire could turn out okay...or it could be a disaster. I remain ambivalent about Cal MBB as that leave me less vulnerable to false hopes.
Hard to know if the process was good, but if it's Madsen then he isn't an obviously bad hire. He's a guy with west-coast connections who has had success coaching at a smaller school. A reasonable choice.
Would I have preferred Pasternack? Yes, but I also have to acknowledge that when picking between these mid-major coaches with similar resumes it's hard to know who will hit and who will not. We'll see!
Has there been any more insight on why AAR (apparently) isn't being offered the job? Was he never a legit option, despite appearances, or something in the interview gave pause? Not sure if anything credible leaked.
Feels like some Manchurian Candidate BS with Monty as the puppet master putting in his little Furd robot. Not like either guy can do more damage than has already been done to this program, but there were much better candidates and it seems like the process has alienated important stakeholders. Besides “better than Fox” I have nothing better to say.
This is most likely the scenario. For whatever reason, Monty still holds a lot of sway over Cal MBB. First he wanted his some hired, then Decuire, and now he gets his way with someone he coached at furd.
Yeah, but like...we may be in a much better place had we just listened to him. So maybe this time?
I mean how much does DeCuire move the needle? If our bar is Wyking and Fox, then yeah, sure. But Monty wasn’t pushing Gates either, which was an obvious and worthy swing as far back as 6 years ago. Monty has his own agenda, which has been pretty consistently tied to his own legacy.
Also, I know Jay John. OK guy, but a wee bit old school, no? Maybe Madsen wins over fans with his charm and energy. Maybe he wins over me. But I do think Pasternack and AAR have better upsides, would get the base engaged quicker, and would put us on a path to having a more modern basketball program more quickly. Madsen becomes a better talking point for the old Bay Area sports journos though -- the few of them that are left anyways.