The Pac12 should work with the ACC. If that doesn't pan out, Pac12 should expand to SMU, Rice, and Tulane. The Pac12 should also work on getting a team in Los Angeles. How? UCSD, UCIrvine, UCSB, and UCRiverside should field one football team. It would play either at SOFI / LA Coliseum / Rose Bowl / or any of the 2 MLS stadiums in L.A. The enrollment for the 4 schools > 100,000. The amount of their alumni in SoCal is huge. All football athletes will enroll at UCSB or UCSD. Olympic teams will stay respectively with their schools. L.A. market is huge. The Clippers and Charges left for L.A. Raiders went to L.A. for a spell. Rams are back in L.A. Anaheim Angels are called Los Angeles. In order to survive as a standalone entity, the Pac12 needs to be in L.A. UCB are the Golden Bears, UCLA are Bruins, this entity will be called the Grizzly Bears. This team can sport different tints of Blue and Gold from Cal and UCLA.
Big10 should do a massive expansion, adding Cal, Furd, UW, WSU, Oregon, OSU, AZ, ASU, Utah and Colorado. But then they are so big that they'll need to split into divisions - East and West for example, with UCLA and USC joining the newly-added schools in the west. Of course, they'll need names for the divisions - for the East, for historical consistency, they could maintain the name "Big10". And for the West, they could use "Western 12", or maybe "Pacific 12", or "Pac12" for short.
Of course with such a big conference, a special championship game is needed. It could feature the winners of the East and West, and be played in Pasadena every January 1.
You mentioned Duke, which triggered a memory: Duke hosted the only Rose Bowl played outside Pasadena during WWII. I met a man who played in that game for Duke, later was a Japanese prisoner.
I hope he made it home ok. I wouldn't wish that suffering on anyone. My grandpap was in the Navy during WW2 (sub hunter in the Pacific out of Pearl Harbor) and he said that the torture the Japanese put on capture POW was ruthless
Sure. Coastal Conference is one idea. Thanks for laying that out. It also now seems that we are casting about over much wider possibilities. So I may as well throw yet another (admittedly kooky, but fiendishly simple) idea out there...
The Super Mega Western Conference League
21 Schools/Teams from 8 contiguous western states as follows:
AZ - Arizona, Arizona State
CA - California, Fresno State, San Diego State, San Jose State, Stanford
CO - Air Force, Colorado, Colorado State
ID - Boise State, Idaho
NV - Nevada, UNLV
OR - Oregon, Oregon State
UT - BYU, Utah, Utah State
WA - Washington, Washington State
Break it into two divisions if you like: North & South. Or 3: Coastal, Desert, Mountain
12 game schedule. Teams play certain rivals every year, but rotate through all other teams year by year with a sprinkle of OOC opponents each year. Best 8 teams bracket elimination playoff for league championship.
BYU isn’t leaving the Big 12 but otherwise that could be somewhat plausible. I doubt it would make any more than the existing Pac 12 though because none of the additional schools have brands big enough to increase payouts.
I don't see any monetary value for a network or a streamer for an 'alliance', and it's highly unlikely that a genuine 'Coastal Conference' will happen. If you're not getting B1G money, cross country travel alone would sink the plan.
There's very little cross country travel in this plan. Also, ESPN wants programming from Friday night at 7PM through Sunday Morning at 2AM. This covers the entire gamut in one league w/one tv contract. They'll pay for the simplicity it brings and provide the hype machine to make their investment worth it.
As I said, there would be plenty of travel if they were to join into one conference, that's why it probably won't happen. When you say 'this plan', I assume you're referring to an alliance. I don't see why that's attractive to ESPN, as they can get the same hours of programming ala carte, probably for cheaper since the PAC seems to be losing tv value by the day.
Asking for a friend...I know this isn't on topic, but I'm curious what people think if Fox and the Bears get crushed twice by the LA schools this weekend. Should Fox be fired? Or should we just let him finish the season in case he figures out how to win a few games? Then, maybe he'll be fired later, but maybe he can resurrect himself next year?
Well, kinda, although BC doesn’t have the residual interest that a state flagship does. The fact is, though, that BC and Cal have somewhat similar football histories — “big time” but never quite established regional powers, a fair number of star players, maybe one or two top-ten seasons in 50 (or 80) years, and an occasional 1-11 mixed in.
Probably less, if only because Cal has more students and alumni. My take is that football (NFL aside) is dying in parts of the country; NY state is producing 1-2 blue-chip recruits per year.
Pac whatever sucks!!! SEC SEC SEC
Pac whatever sucks!!! SEC SEC SEC
ATLANTIC – PACIFIC ATHLETIC CONFERENCE
NORTHEAST
Boston College, Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech
CAROLINA
Clemson, Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
SOUTH
Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Rice, SMU, Tulane
WEST
Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
SOUTHWEST
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado Long Beach State, SDSU, Utah
The Pac12 should work with the ACC. If that doesn't pan out, Pac12 should expand to SMU, Rice, and Tulane. The Pac12 should also work on getting a team in Los Angeles. How? UCSD, UCIrvine, UCSB, and UCRiverside should field one football team. It would play either at SOFI / LA Coliseum / Rose Bowl / or any of the 2 MLS stadiums in L.A. The enrollment for the 4 schools > 100,000. The amount of their alumni in SoCal is huge. All football athletes will enroll at UCSB or UCSD. Olympic teams will stay respectively with their schools. L.A. market is huge. The Clippers and Charges left for L.A. Raiders went to L.A. for a spell. Rams are back in L.A. Anaheim Angels are called Los Angeles. In order to survive as a standalone entity, the Pac12 needs to be in L.A. UCB are the Golden Bears, UCLA are Bruins, this entity will be called the Grizzly Bears. This team can sport different tints of Blue and Gold from Cal and UCLA.
As long as we're throwing out ideas:
Big10 should do a massive expansion, adding Cal, Furd, UW, WSU, Oregon, OSU, AZ, ASU, Utah and Colorado. But then they are so big that they'll need to split into divisions - East and West for example, with UCLA and USC joining the newly-added schools in the west. Of course, they'll need names for the divisions - for the East, for historical consistency, they could maintain the name "Big10". And for the West, they could use "Western 12", or maybe "Pacific 12", or "Pac12" for short.
Of course with such a big conference, a special championship game is needed. It could feature the winners of the East and West, and be played in Pasadena every January 1.
Not a well thought out idea. Coast to coast travel? Good - bye TV/streaming service money. There won't be any leftover for the Olympic sports.
Welcome to the PACC + ND
This will save the ACC, PAC12 & ND
DIVISION 1:
Syracuse
B.C.
Notre Dame
Pitt
Lville
Cincy
DIVISION 2:
VA
VA Tech
N.C.
Duke
Navy
FSU
DIVISION 3:
G.T.
Clemson
Miami
Wake Forest
Memphis
N.C. St.
DIVISION 4:
Stanford
Cal
Oregon
Washington
Wash. St.
Oregon St.
DIVISION 5:
Colorado
Utah
AZ
AZ St.
San Diego St.
UNLV
5 division games per year
4 division cross-over games per year
3 out of conference games per year
PACC Playoff:
Round 1: 2 vs. 5
3 vs. 4
Round 2: winner vs. winner
Round 3: winner vs. 1
This IS a money maker for ESPN. IT'S COMING SOON.
You mentioned Duke, which triggered a memory: Duke hosted the only Rose Bowl played outside Pasadena during WWII. I met a man who played in that game for Duke, later was a Japanese prisoner.
I hope he made it home ok. I wouldn't wish that suffering on anyone. My grandpap was in the Navy during WW2 (sub hunter in the Pacific out of Pearl Harbor) and he said that the torture the Japanese put on capture POW was ruthless
When I met him, he was a gray-haired, slender man. You'd never know he was once a lineman for Duke football. He lost that weight in a Japanese prison.
Sure. Coastal Conference is one idea. Thanks for laying that out. It also now seems that we are casting about over much wider possibilities. So I may as well throw yet another (admittedly kooky, but fiendishly simple) idea out there...
The Super Mega Western Conference League
21 Schools/Teams from 8 contiguous western states as follows:
AZ - Arizona, Arizona State
CA - California, Fresno State, San Diego State, San Jose State, Stanford
CO - Air Force, Colorado, Colorado State
ID - Boise State, Idaho
NV - Nevada, UNLV
OR - Oregon, Oregon State
UT - BYU, Utah, Utah State
WA - Washington, Washington State
Break it into two divisions if you like: North & South. Or 3: Coastal, Desert, Mountain
12 game schedule. Teams play certain rivals every year, but rotate through all other teams year by year with a sprinkle of OOC opponents each year. Best 8 teams bracket elimination playoff for league championship.
I would watch this league.
BYU isn’t leaving the Big 12 but otherwise that could be somewhat plausible. I doubt it would make any more than the existing Pac 12 though because none of the additional schools have brands big enough to increase payouts.
Well...that might be because they are not YET part of the Super Mega Western Conference League. 😁
As Gretzky said, ya gotta "skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been."
Having one or two games a season with ACC teams is not a bad idea, one at home and one away for each, if it nets us a lot more money.
I don't see any monetary value for a network or a streamer for an 'alliance', and it's highly unlikely that a genuine 'Coastal Conference' will happen. If you're not getting B1G money, cross country travel alone would sink the plan.
There's very little cross country travel in this plan. Also, ESPN wants programming from Friday night at 7PM through Sunday Morning at 2AM. This covers the entire gamut in one league w/one tv contract. They'll pay for the simplicity it brings and provide the hype machine to make their investment worth it.
As I said, there would be plenty of travel if they were to join into one conference, that's why it probably won't happen. When you say 'this plan', I assume you're referring to an alliance. I don't see why that's attractive to ESPN, as they can get the same hours of programming ala carte, probably for cheaper since the PAC seems to be losing tv value by the day.
How about poaching the Mountain West teams? Hawai'i, Boise State? Even Fresno State, the grudge will be immense :D
Asking for a friend...I know this isn't on topic, but I'm curious what people think if Fox and the Bears get crushed twice by the LA schools this weekend. Should Fox be fired? Or should we just let him finish the season in case he figures out how to win a few games? Then, maybe he'll be fired later, but maybe he can resurrect himself next year?
It's humor...this site needs more levity.
I’ve noticed levity is largely wasted on this site. Most people aren’t into it ;-)
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!
Isn't humor supposed to be funny?
Apparently you don't read GoBears49 interjecting every thread with "Should Fox be fired?" It's called sarcasm. SadBear sad.
The only sad thing is that your aptitude for humor is comparable to Fox's aptitude for coaching
Well, kinda, although BC doesn’t have the residual interest that a state flagship does. The fact is, though, that BC and Cal have somewhat similar football histories — “big time” but never quite established regional powers, a fair number of star players, maybe one or two top-ten seasons in 50 (or 80) years, and an occasional 1-11 mixed in.
YAWN.
Probably less, if only because Cal has more students and alumni. My take is that football (NFL aside) is dying in parts of the country; NY state is producing 1-2 blue-chip recruits per year.