I imagine the actual numbers were released and confirmed what everyone except Wilner and Canzano expected: $15-$20 million payout with 80% streaming only. It goes to show just how much value the Los Angeles schools brought to the PAC-12 and why the Big Ten wanted them. I expect the Big Ten will soon expand to Cal and Stanford. They might not get anything close to full revenue share (maybe ever) but it will be far more than what any other conference can provide.
Back in 2008 I moved to Golden, CO (old Golden), having lived/worked in NCA, OR, WA, & AK entire life. Did so for “better” position.
Well, I didn’t like the work while cautiously adjusting to the lifestyle. Work was the deal breaker so after 8 months landed a new one in Coeur D’ Alene where I instantly felt better, more at home. Realized I was conditioned for west coast, PNWest and that was that.
That said, I basically felt the addition of UCO was too contrived and an awkward fit yet considered Utah a better fit. Whilst they’re years in the PAC 12, I never warmed up to UCO. Made the fiasco in Boulder last year more irritating.
This is anarchy. There needs to be some kind of regulation. Two selfish schools should not be able to damage other institutions like this.
When I watch sports championships (across the board) the Pac12 has as good if not better representation than other leagues. Our media markets are way better than the Little 12/13. Can somebody explain to me how the these butt ramers are getting more than us? Is it effective viewership?
Media companies don't want to pay outrageous amounts to five conferences so they're consolidating their liabilities. Every time we lose a power conference, ESPN and the likes are usually behind it.
Better to pay more for a few extra teams than pay for an entire conference.
I have to be honest, I'm not sure what the future holds outside of "Hopefully Cal goes to the Big Ten." If not that, we don't have a choice but to invite schools like the Boise States and the Wyomings of the world. Unless people are really counting on us being independent.
I’m sure it played a part but I think the Big12 just saw an opportunity to get a decent school/market, a school that was part of the Big8/Big12 and more importantly destabilize their closest competitor, the Pac10 and likely pushing it the brink of extinction.
The Big12 commissioner is playing chess while Commissioner Buchanan plays checkers.
Alpha: WHEN do you think that this will happen? I think that the Big 10 is perfectly content to let us twist in the wind for however long it takes and then swoop in with a lowball offer that will pay us even less than we are getting now. What is their incentive to offer us a deal in the 30-35 million range when we can't even get that now?
I wish I could believe you, but I don't think this ends well for us. We'll either be left stranded or be left as a crumb to highest of the low bidders. Maybe a PAC leftovers / ACC leftovers cross-coastal alignment is a possibility, which sounds dreamy at this point.
The Pac is dead.....Long live....I don't know. What comes next? Is it possible that Cal Athletics will cease to exist? Aside from alums, who is going to pay to watch us? Who are we going to play? This is bad. Football and Sports Gods, pray for us.
Well I suppose there is some logic in being the first mover (or third at this point I guess), but IF a grant of rights had shored up the conference aligning with the PAC10 still seems a better move than the Big 12. Either the media deal was shaping up to be horrific and/or they had intel suggesting that there were others poised to move.
Remaining rational and using logic...Cal is going to be ok...If CU is worth a 31.7 million share to the b12 then certainly Cal is worth that and probably more. We now just have to wait and see if the B1G/ACC will offer or if SDSU can get a similar number to the B12 number if they join. If not, we are going to be playing across the dustbowl with the B12l but it's not doomsday "off to the MWC" for Cal.
Not likely,. The B12 gotta sweetheart TV agreement that says any Power 5 school that joins will get the same $ share. So, if Cal wanted to join the B12, we'd get 31.7 too. No more.
You are right! There are a huge number of Big 10 alumni in the Bay Area. If, as I have, you were to attend a football game at Maryland or Rutgers, you would see that the stadiums are full of Big 10 alumni from the visiting teams. Cal would be able to fill Memorial Stadium and pay off the loans.
I believe it. I remember the Cal-Ohio State game in 2014 - Memorial Stadium was easily 75% Ohio State and all the people I chatted with happened to live on the West Coast.
The Big 10 is a special animal. It is the only conference with a truly national alumni base with almost 6 million living alumni spread out over the entire USA. This is why it can command more money from the media than the SEC whose alumni are concentrated in the South East. Four metropolitan areas attract at least 1% (and usually more) of the Big 10 graduates from all 14 universities. They are NYC, DC, LA and, guess what, the Bay area. There are over 100,000 Big 10 alumni living in the Bay Area and most, if not all the schools have active alumni chapters. The heavy presence of alumni in these metro areas is why the Big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland and now USC and UCLA. There is only more metro area left to add and I am sure Stanford and Cal are included in the mid-term plans of the Big 10. The Big 10 Academic Alliance (separate from, but tied to admission to the BIG 10 conference) intends to build the largest consortium of research universities in the world and Stanford and Cal are wanted by the faculties of the Big Ten schools. The problem is timing.
If today's rumor reported by Sportskeeda is true, the PAC-12 TV deal is $12 million less than the Big 12 and includes only 20% linear coverage. This, plus the rumor that the CW network wants to air PAC-12 games on Tuesday and Wednesday nights was probably enough to trigger CU's decision to leave, but I suspect there is more to this story.
Good riddance. Was a strange marriage anyway. The Pac to me is always the teams that are in the Pacific Time Zone. If Utah bolts, fine. I'd rather be the Pac 8 than have the Boise State's of the world join. I'm fine with SDSU. Not a fan of SMU. If I have to live with not playing the shitty SoCal schools annually, then so be it. The Bear does not quit, the Bear will not die. The Pac is not the Bear. Go Bears!
I imagine the actual numbers were released and confirmed what everyone except Wilner and Canzano expected: $15-$20 million payout with 80% streaming only. It goes to show just how much value the Los Angeles schools brought to the PAC-12 and why the Big Ten wanted them. I expect the Big Ten will soon expand to Cal and Stanford. They might not get anything close to full revenue share (maybe ever) but it will be far more than what any other conference can provide.
Back in 2008 I moved to Golden, CO (old Golden), having lived/worked in NCA, OR, WA, & AK entire life. Did so for “better” position.
Well, I didn’t like the work while cautiously adjusting to the lifestyle. Work was the deal breaker so after 8 months landed a new one in Coeur D’ Alene where I instantly felt better, more at home. Realized I was conditioned for west coast, PNWest and that was that.
That said, I basically felt the addition of UCO was too contrived and an awkward fit yet considered Utah a better fit. Whilst they’re years in the PAC 12, I never warmed up to UCO. Made the fiasco in Boulder last year more irritating.
It is only going to get worse. This is why Cal's schedule is tough. To prove that they can compete 💯.
New names...
The B1G A$$holes
The Little 14
Please use these moving forward.
This is anarchy. There needs to be some kind of regulation. Two selfish schools should not be able to damage other institutions like this.
When I watch sports championships (across the board) the Pac12 has as good if not better representation than other leagues. Our media markets are way better than the Little 12/13. Can somebody explain to me how the these butt ramers are getting more than us? Is it effective viewership?
Media companies don't want to pay outrageous amounts to five conferences so they're consolidating their liabilities. Every time we lose a power conference, ESPN and the likes are usually behind it.
Better to pay more for a few extra teams than pay for an entire conference.
It's almost as if the east coast / Midwest have been able to create this myth that our product is inferior...and now it is coming to life.
The road to the playoff got better?
I have to be honest, I'm not sure what the future holds outside of "Hopefully Cal goes to the Big Ten." If not that, we don't have a choice but to invite schools like the Boise States and the Wyomings of the world. Unless people are really counting on us being independent.
If Colorado didn’t get coach Prime , then I don’t think they would have gotten this invite to the Big 12.
Is that fair to say? Does that seem accurate? Does/did coach Prime really change the value of Colorado THAT much?
And Colorado hasn’t played a single game under Coach Prime. The speculation level just seems really high here.
Big 12 doesn't care. They don't have any large brands left. CU and BYU are their largest remaining schools.
Might have drove up the price, but they were targeted cause they were vulnerable and an obvious regional fit.
I’m sure it played a part but I think the Big12 just saw an opportunity to get a decent school/market, a school that was part of the Big8/Big12 and more importantly destabilize their closest competitor, the Pac10 and likely pushing it the brink of extinction.
The Big12 commissioner is playing chess while Commissioner Buchanan plays checkers.
Or maybe in terms my kids would understand: Big12 commissioner is playing Call of Duty and Commissioner Buchanan is playing Animal Crossing?
It's going to end up the exact way I thought it would:
Cal, Stanford, Washington, Oregon: Big 10
Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado: Big 12
Washington State, Oregon State: Mountain West OR Big 12.
Alpha: WHEN do you think that this will happen? I think that the Big 10 is perfectly content to let us twist in the wind for however long it takes and then swoop in with a lowball offer that will pay us even less than we are getting now. What is their incentive to offer us a deal in the 30-35 million range when we can't even get that now?
I worry that you may be right, but I also think they'd like to get our academic cred.
you're dreaming if you think we aren't in the same boat as WSU and OSU. Stanford will either get into Big 10 or go independent.
I wish I could believe you, but I don't think this ends well for us. We'll either be left stranded or be left as a crumb to highest of the low bidders. Maybe a PAC leftovers / ACC leftovers cross-coastal alignment is a possibility, which sounds dreamy at this point.
What is the difference between Big 10 and Big 12?
Money.
. . . and scholarly reputation.
The Pac is dead.....Long live....I don't know. What comes next? Is it possible that Cal Athletics will cease to exist? Aside from alums, who is going to pay to watch us? Who are we going to play? This is bad. Football and Sports Gods, pray for us.
Perhaps the Saudis would like or be interested in a LIV style college football league?
Pac-12 partner: Saudi Arabia sovereign wealth fund
I like it. And women would have to wear burkas to all athletic events!
We would have more money than all the other CFB conferences combined.
Yesterday: the Axe
Tomorrow: Bone Saw!
Well I hope they packed their Louies for Manhattan (Kansas).
Well I suppose there is some logic in being the first mover (or third at this point I guess), but IF a grant of rights had shored up the conference aligning with the PAC10 still seems a better move than the Big 12. Either the media deal was shaping up to be horrific and/or they had intel suggesting that there were others poised to move.
Remaining rational and using logic...Cal is going to be ok...If CU is worth a 31.7 million share to the b12 then certainly Cal is worth that and probably more. We now just have to wait and see if the B1G/ACC will offer or if SDSU can get a similar number to the B12 number if they join. If not, we are going to be playing across the dustbowl with the B12l but it's not doomsday "off to the MWC" for Cal.
Not likely,. The B12 gotta sweetheart TV agreement that says any Power 5 school that joins will get the same $ share. So, if Cal wanted to join the B12, we'd get 31.7 too. No more.
Cal isn't worth that much
Lol they are worth more than CU, it's why they were even mentioned as a target for B1G expansion.
I think Cal's value is more as a venue for Bay Area B1G alumni to watch local games. Apparently, there are a lot of those bastards in NorCal.
You are right! There are a huge number of Big 10 alumni in the Bay Area. If, as I have, you were to attend a football game at Maryland or Rutgers, you would see that the stadiums are full of Big 10 alumni from the visiting teams. Cal would be able to fill Memorial Stadium and pay off the loans.
I believe it. I remember the Cal-Ohio State game in 2014 - Memorial Stadium was easily 75% Ohio State and all the people I chatted with happened to live on the West Coast.
The Big 10 is a special animal. It is the only conference with a truly national alumni base with almost 6 million living alumni spread out over the entire USA. This is why it can command more money from the media than the SEC whose alumni are concentrated in the South East. Four metropolitan areas attract at least 1% (and usually more) of the Big 10 graduates from all 14 universities. They are NYC, DC, LA and, guess what, the Bay area. There are over 100,000 Big 10 alumni living in the Bay Area and most, if not all the schools have active alumni chapters. The heavy presence of alumni in these metro areas is why the Big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland and now USC and UCLA. There is only more metro area left to add and I am sure Stanford and Cal are included in the mid-term plans of the Big 10. The Big 10 Academic Alliance (separate from, but tied to admission to the BIG 10 conference) intends to build the largest consortium of research universities in the world and Stanford and Cal are wanted by the faculties of the Big Ten schools. The problem is timing.
Yes. Outside of B10s current footprint, they have more graduates in Bay Area than any other market in the country. Hope springs eternal
If today's rumor reported by Sportskeeda is true, the PAC-12 TV deal is $12 million less than the Big 12 and includes only 20% linear coverage. This, plus the rumor that the CW network wants to air PAC-12 games on Tuesday and Wednesday nights was probably enough to trigger CU's decision to leave, but I suspect there is more to this story.
Good riddance. Was a strange marriage anyway. The Pac to me is always the teams that are in the Pacific Time Zone. If Utah bolts, fine. I'd rather be the Pac 8 than have the Boise State's of the world join. I'm fine with SDSU. Not a fan of SMU. If I have to live with not playing the shitty SoCal schools annually, then so be it. The Bear does not quit, the Bear will not die. The Pac is not the Bear. Go Bears!